CarlsV6

It's not what you think, it's statistics and the mentality of the insurance companies. Have you every actually compared the rates for a V6 and a GT, it would have been nearly double for me, clean record....

Lalo

i'm one of those that really want 300HP, but wont be able to afford it easily because of a combination of the $6000 extra more than the V6, the insurance (i'm still a youngin at 21, will be 23 by the time i purchase another car), and the poor paying, but highly satistying career of an educator.
we'll see. i might get a GT, but im gonna have to squeeze it in there.

Lalo

It's not what you think, it's statistics and the mentality of the insurance companies. Have you every actually compared the rates for a V6 and a GT, it would have been nearly double for me, clean record.... [/b][/quote]
same here. i got a clean record, my parents have a clean record, i get a deduction for being a good student, i'm 21, and it will still be double that of a 6.

gokbgo

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No way. It's 1 MPG. V6 versus V8. That just can't be enough to make a difference...

Price I believe. Insurance? Well... Again, a v6 can be wrapped around a pole easier, so I really don't see the point. Damage would be similar in price to fix...

Man, I think too much when I'm waiting for hard drives to format... [/b][/quote]
Makes a difference when Ford puts out LOTS more V6's on the road than GT's.

houtex

Darnit darnit darnit. Once again my brain didn't transmolgravitizeratation my thoughts through my arms and into my fingers upon this famdangled komputeor.

Ok, I'm sorry y'all. I meant to say:

Insurance? This is something that I can understand, but not from the insurance standpoint. Why is it cheaper to insure a V6 versus a V8 when both are easily wrapped around poles? Any damages to either in any similar accident is likely to cost the same amount of money, and in the case of pole wrapping, maiming and death.

Are we saying that v6 drivers are better drivers? Riiiight. So says the ripped in two v6s you see every once in a while... Kids will be kids, and v6s are for your newly minted drivers licensed kids, yeah? Well, not JUST for them, still...

Don't we all get in our little 'stangs and have a fun time, v6 or v8? I remember spinnin' that '66 Muskrat around a corner in my I6. It was almost bad, but I managed to avoid messin' it up. I didn't need a GT to get in trouble, that I6 had plenty of torque!

Anyway, it wasn't about the cost of the insurance driving the purchase. My comment was the fact that it shouldn't matter when you get down to it, but it does. Sigh. I guess I don't have the facts, so that makes me dum.

I think I am going to... strike that... I do regret bringin' this whole thing up. V6s rule. Without them there'd be no Mustang. My bad, yo!

"Nevermind!" - Emily LaTella.

ace0215

The way insurance works is each car is given a rating. Let's pretend that the v6 and v8 are totally diff cars from totally diff manufacturers. each car would get a diff rating based on its safety, type of driver most like to drive it etc...

and obviously, through statistics and research the v8 must fall into a higher rating category

Super Sonic Blue Mustang

I was going to lease a 04 Mustang V6 and then get a 07 GT. Now I asked my insurance guy the difference in price, he told me that the difference between a GT and a V6 is $17 more per month for the GT and to me that is nothing when you are getting a over all better car. So I held off because I was going to wait for a 05 V6 thinking 210 H.P. is enough and the over all car is better then the 04 V6.

Now I drove my brothers 03 Mach 1 and that car is awesome and yesterday I drove my fathers 05 silver GT and I have to say that car is all around awesome. This car is fun to drive, looks better with the wide stance and beefyness of it. When I started it up the sound of that V8 roaring gave me goose bumps and a big smile . I have not driven the V6 but I drove my fathers old 96 GT with 215 H.P. and that is pretty much what the 05 V6 has so I pretty much know what to expect in the V6.

I could lease a 05 V6 and then get a GT, but I am going to hold off keep my Focus and get a used 05 or 06 GT after people see the new GT, mach 1, cobra etc. that will come out in 07 or sell/trade in my Focus for a 07 GT.

This Mustang is sweet well worth the extra money.

P.S. the fog lamps and spoiler look great reminding me of the 69 Mach 1's

houtex

Makes a difference when Ford puts out LOTS more V6's on the road than GT's. [/b][/quote]
Ok, now, I'm gonna have to do this to ya. Sorry, just numbers.

CAFE is Corporate Average Fuel Economy. That means that you take the whole fleet, add up each gas MPG number and divide by number of cars produced over the year.

If there's 180,000 mustangs to be produced, and 70 percent are to be v6s, then:

GT 18 MPG city, 23 Hwy

V6? 19, 25 respectively

30 percent of 180,000 is 54,000 GTs, which leaves 126,000 V6s.

Multiply that out and you get

972,000 MPG city, 1,242,000 MPG Hwy for the GTs
2,394,000 MPG city, 3,150,000 MPG Hwy for V6s.

Which is kinda irrelevant, but fun to look at.

IF the CAFE Averaging were on all 180,000 Mustangs being V6, then it would, of course, be 19 and 25 City/Hwy MPGs. Once car's MPG is the same as the average in that case. So naturally, all GTs only would be 18 and 15. Right?

Ok, ready? Both combined? 18.7 and 24.4, or a difference of .7 and 1.4 increase of MPG average over just GTs. Or if you like, a .3 and a .6 decrease of MPGs over just v6s. Wow, that's like huge...not. Even across the entire fleet, that's just a gnat's release of methane infused gases from the posterior region.

So, I say again: ?

djdaustin

I can see your point on why insurance rates are what they are because of damage and prices, but again... it's a mentality thing.

when a 16 year old kid steps into a car sure he's just as likely to wrap a honda around a pole, but a 300hp, 0-60 in 5 second, 140 mph car is MUCH more dangerous than the v6 version. Can you kill yourself or someone else with either one... of course, you could kill or be killed with any vehicle. One can just do it much faster and potentially more damaging than the other. Image plays a large part of it yes... and a wreck at 115 (rev limit for 6's) will do ALOT of damage... but that same wreck at 140 potentially can do just that much more to you and other people.

I'm not buying into this gas milage thing until I get mine. I've had friends with both v6's and Gt's... and we would both stomp on it equally and the GT's tanks ALWAYS ended up on E by the end of the weekend while the 6's were going back to school on monday with a quarter tank left. I know that's not exactly scientific, but it's some bit of personal experience that wants me to raise the BS flag until I'm in an 05 GT day in and day out. I have a feeling it's going to cost me a good bit more than 100$ extra a year in gas to own the 8 instead of the 6.

Keep in mind what you just posted as a stat equates to (with my current prices in dallas, tx for name brand reg gas 1.85-1.90) about 29 bucks a fillup. I'll even spot you a hundred dollar raise in your quote bumping it up to $200. So at 200 that still equates to a little less than 7 fillups a year.

You think a GT owner is only going to fill up his/her tank 7 more times a year (even at 200$ compared to your 100$ differnence) over a V6 owner??!! I don't think so.

houtex

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/cafe/overview.htm

Just thought I'd throw that up for yas.

Oh, well, you want to go all "foot to the floorboard" on me. No fair. I'm taking my toys and going home! :cry:

Well, goin' to lunch anyway...

But before I do... Not all drivers drive the same. Goes without saying. You go around floorin' it all the time, and even the v6 ain't gonna get 19 in the city. I challenge anybody to actually get the minimum listed CAFE mileage outta there cars every time all the time. Anyone who does gets a cookie? No? Imagine that... More cookies for me!

Hmm... Cookies per gallon...

JZInternet

The more options the better. Remember when they use to put 4 bangers in these cars. It wasn't that long ago. Personally I am getting a gt, but I think it's great that they offer that to people that put price ahead of HP.

hatsharpener

CAFE and CARB -- the gov't wouldn't allow it!

The v6 is needed to keep the v8 alive from a fuel econcomy standpoint

I'm considering a v6 as a daily driver; I don't need the extra $800/year insurance or $120/year payment that comes with the v8 as I already have and love my 01

Kluski

Don't forget that a V8 will require more expensive maintenance than a V6. More oil for starters. Look at the prices to get things fixed, they vary depending on the engine size. And I imagine a stronger engine will wear things down faster than a V6.

chocophile

Not quite right. Those 126,000 V6s will still get 19/25 MPG each, not 2,394,000/3,150,000.

Let's look at a single car again, and compare the V6 to the GT. For the sake of simplicity, let's say these two hypothetical cars drive all highway miles, and actually get the EPA highway mileage estimate. A V6 (25 MPG highway) will consume 4000 gallons in 100,000 miles, and a GT (23 MPG highway) will consume just under 4348 gallons. So over the lifetime of a single vehicle, even a two MPG difference is significant, to the tune of 348 gallons.

Now, let's see what this does to the fleet's average:

If all the 2005 Mustangs were GTs, they would burn 782,640,000 gallons over 100,000 miles at highway MPG. Assuming a 70/30% V6/GT ratio, the numbers change. 126,000 V6s will consume 504,000,000 gallons, and 54,000 GTs will consume 234,792,000 gallons. So together, they will use 738,792,000 gallons. Thats a difference of 43,848,000 gallons over an all GT fleet.

V6s save gas, so you don't have to!

houtex

hat, I outlined the difference, which is negligible. Still not buyin' the CAFE. CARB is about emissions, which is pretty dang low as it is.

V8s are not any more expensive to maintain. Oil changes are the same price at Jiffy Lube. As well as the dealer or just about any other place. Changing it yourself? Ok, well, I'd rather they did it. I only need one forgotten oil filter gasket to be forgotten about, thank you. (what a mess!)

If a valve blows out, it's a head. They're both OHV, OHC, so it's probably a wash in price. The engines,should they need replacement outright, are cheaper in a V6, but only if that's your problem. I know that there are alternators that are more expensive in the cheaper versions of a car, yo.

So I'm not buyin' the maintenance part of it either. These things are pretty dang hardy, either one, or they wouldn't sell them. If they broke all the time, nobody would get them. They found that out in the 70s and are STILL crawling out of that hole...

Man, I love this stuff. Next?

Kluski

I don't mean they will break down all the time, but you will need routine maintenance. Maybe not till later. Then it will start to count. However, some people get rid of their car before the repairs are needed. I like to keep mine until they die. So I will end up doing some repairs later. But I still stuck with the GT.

Lalo

Dang, Mikey B-Baller
You are on a roll!!!

houtex

Not quite right. Those 126,000 V6s will still get 19/25 MPG each, not 2,394,000/3,150,000.

Let's look at a single car again, and compare the V6 to the GT. For the sake of simplicity, let's say these two hypothetical cars drive all highway miles, and actually get the EPA highway mileage estimate. A V6 (25 MPG highway) will consume 4000 gallons in 100,000 miles, and a GT (23 MPG highway) will consume just under 4348 gallons. So over the lifetime of a single vehicle, even a two MPG difference is significant, to the tune of 348 gallons.

Now, let's see what this does to the fleet's average:

If all the 2005 Mustangs were GTs, they would burn 782,640,000 gallons over 100,000 miles at highway MPG. Assuming a 70/30% V6/GT ratio, the numbers change. 126,000 V6s will consume 504,000,000 gallons, and 54,000 GTs will consume 234,792,000 gallons. So together, they will use 738,792,000 gallons. Thats a difference of 43,848,000 gallons over an all GT fleet.

V6s save gas, so you don't have to! [/b][/quote]
My numbers were for the entire fleet, but hey, that's ok.

So, 43M gallons extra per 100,000 miles over the mixed fleet for highway? Wow. Ok...

So, per year, for the fleet, assuming 20,000 miles per year over 5 years, that'd be 8.6M per 20,000 miles/1 year.

Per car, that'd be 47.8 gallons per car per year. At 1.90, say, that'd be $90.82 per car.

What'd that be if they were 35MPG I4s instead of V6s? (Just go with me

35MPG for 100,000 miles for just the I4s alone would be 2857 gallons per car for those 100,000 miles. x 126,000 I4 Cars in the fleet: 359,982,000 gallons for the I4 fleet. Plus the 234,792,000 for the GTs in the fleet, and you get 594,774,000 gallons.

Now, back the other way for the whole fleet: per car per 100,000 is 3304 gallons per car. Per year/20,000 miles: 660.86 Gallons per year.

Versus the current fleets 4174 and 834.8 numbers. A difference of 173.94 gallons to be saved per year. At 1.90/gallon, that's $330.49 a car! Now THAT'S a CAFE difference, and THEN I'd buy in. There's a car payment right there a year!

So, again, not buyin' the CAFE thing. Numbers aren't enough. Even over 100,000 miles.

/I love this wonderful playin' with numbers game!

ooooMustang

I want a v8 I can't deal with 210 hp

CarlsV6

The sad thing, my v8 has less hp than my v6 stock