Saleen replaces SVT?
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New to the posting boards, but I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT and that SVT will soon be no more. I have seen a few things on the net suggesting this, but does anyone have an info on whether this is true?
A new cobra with a 5.4 would be sweet, but Saleen prices would not...
A new cobra with a 5.4 would be sweet, but Saleen prices would not...
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Well, here's the basis.
-2004 SVT lineup includes 4 vehicles.
-Saleen heavily involved in developement, or at least assembly and production, of Ford GT.
-SVT Focus permanently cancelled.
-SVT Lightning allegedly "delayed" so SVT may focus all of its development muscle on upcoming Mustang.
-Hua Tang (sp?) (designer of the 2005 mustang) was promoted to something like director of performance vehicles, which purportedly includes oversight of SVT.
-Two SVT heads, including Colletti ("retirement"), go down in the recent weeks.
-New Saleen mustang was released by Ford Motor Company includes parts, i.e., brake discs, directly from Ford GT.
These things all seem to indicate heavy involvement by Ford in Saleen products and vice versa.
These also indicate that SVT, or whatever remains of the upper echelons of SVT, is in heavy turmoil/rebuilding...
I don't claim to have any "inside scoop" but I'm wondering if anyone else on this site has heard any reliable info...
btw...i have read the threads re: to new 5.4 stangs and etc., but just curious/worried...
-2004 SVT lineup includes 4 vehicles.
-Saleen heavily involved in developement, or at least assembly and production, of Ford GT.
-SVT Focus permanently cancelled.
-SVT Lightning allegedly "delayed" so SVT may focus all of its development muscle on upcoming Mustang.
-Hua Tang (sp?) (designer of the 2005 mustang) was promoted to something like director of performance vehicles, which purportedly includes oversight of SVT.
-Two SVT heads, including Colletti ("retirement"), go down in the recent weeks.
-New Saleen mustang was released by Ford Motor Company includes parts, i.e., brake discs, directly from Ford GT.
These things all seem to indicate heavy involvement by Ford in Saleen products and vice versa.
These also indicate that SVT, or whatever remains of the upper echelons of SVT, is in heavy turmoil/rebuilding...
I don't claim to have any "inside scoop" but I'm wondering if anyone else on this site has heard any reliable info...
btw...i have read the threads re: to new 5.4 stangs and etc., but just curious/worried...
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i dont think so saleen gets money for being elite if they went mainstream by taking over svt they wouldnt have the same edge as before. i doubt that saleen would rather make a cobra (lower pricing) than something they already are selling and selling well... the cobra is elite but how many more cobras do you see compared to saleens...? point and case anyway if an aftermarket competitor became part of ford that would make ford in charge of design not saleen and that might bring down sales...
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Saleen is an aftermarket tuner bussiness, whereas SVT is actually a part of FoMoCo. sorry buddy, but whoever told you this is a tad confused.
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Originally posted by future9er24@January 2, 2005, 4:16 PM
Saleen is an aftermarket tuner bussiness, whereas SVT is actually a part of FoMoCo. sorry buddy, but whoever told you this is a tad confused.
welcome to the boards BTW
its a great place, you'll like it here
Saleen is an aftermarket tuner bussiness, whereas SVT is actually a part of FoMoCo. sorry buddy, but whoever told you this is a tad confused.
welcome to the boards BTW
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Originally posted by futuresvt@January 2, 2005, 12:54 AM
... I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT...
... I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT...
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT+January 2, 2005, 8:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1 BULLITT @ January 2, 2005, 8:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-futuresvt@January 2, 2005, 12:54 AM
... I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT...
... I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT...
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT+January 2, 2005, 6:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1 BULLITT @ January 2, 2005, 6:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-futuresvt@January 2, 2005, 12:54 AM
... I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT...
... I heard a rumor that Saleen will be replacing SVT...
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Brad would lose quite a bit of credibility if that happened.
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Originally posted by wsmatau@January 2, 2005, 8:16 PM
Brad would lose quite a bit of credibility if that happened.
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Brad would lose quite a bit of credibility if that happened.
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... and all I needed was ONE more vote!
This travesty will not go unpunished! :angry:
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Ford uses these tuners for development regularly. Saleen was instrumental in the GT-R. Saleen ,Roush and Kenny Brown were big in development of the 2005 V6 and GT. They use their input for development.
None of us "know" either, but this seems unlikely for the reasons stated. Most Cobra owners don't buy Saleen because they don't like the styling and the cost for performance is too high.
None of us "know" either, but this seems unlikely for the reasons stated. Most Cobra owners don't buy Saleen because they don't like the styling and the cost for performance is too high.
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Originally posted by futuresvt@January 2, 2005, 12:14 AM
-New Saleen mustang was released by Ford Motor Company includes parts, i.e., brake discs, directly from Ford GT.
-New Saleen mustang was released by Ford Motor Company includes parts, i.e., brake discs, directly from Ford GT.
Having the Saleen in the Ford booth helps both companies -- Ford because it showcases "upgradability" and enhances excitement for the Mustang. If people get excited about the Saleen, but can't afford it, they will be much more willing to buy a Mustang.
Ford does do a lot of work with Saleen (GTR, help with Ford GT, etc.), but they also do work with other companies as well (Roush, etc.). That doesn't mean they are going to turn over SVT to Saleen. I don't think Steve would want that anyway. He wants low volume, high priced Saleen branded cars (well, at least that is what history seems to tells me).
That being said, I really don't mind who builds them, as long as they live up to the Cobra lineage (great performing cars for a great value).
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Originally posted by Rampant@January 2, 2005, 9:23 PM
That being said, I really don't mind who builds them, as long as they live up to the Cobra lineage (great performing cars for a great value).
That being said, I really don't mind who builds them, as long as they live up to the Cobra lineage (great performing cars for a great value).
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Most Cobra owners don't buy Saleen because they don't like the styling and the cost for performance is too high.
How can someone not like Saleen Styling??
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I highly doubt that SVT will be outsourced to Saleen. That would shock all of us to the core. :shock:
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Originally posted by cobrasvt777@January 3, 2005, 2:07 PM
I think your half right. I bet most Mustang and Mustang Cobra owners Love the styling of the Saleens. All the Cobra owners I'm friends with love Saleens as well. But we all agree they are too high in price when you compare the performance to the Cobra.
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I highly doubt that SVT will be outsourced to Saleen. That would shock all of us to the core. :shock:
Most Cobra owners don't buy Saleen because they don't like the styling and the cost for performance is too high.
How can someone not like Saleen Styling??
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I highly doubt that SVT will be outsourced to Saleen. That would shock all of us to the core. :shock:
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Here's a couple more things to throw into the rumor world.
You got to remember Saleen now has an assembly plant in Michigan where they paint and assemble the Ford GT.
(The 05 S-281 E may be made there too.)
The facility has a capacity to do much more.
I can see the Saleen facility being the assembly line for other low volume number vehicles like SVT products, but they will not have any Saleen Label.
It's probably cheaper for them to built speciality vehicles, than making separate build lines at the new Mustang plant.
Also, Saleen built 5 GT-R prototypes for Ford, not just one.
You got to remember Saleen now has an assembly plant in Michigan where they paint and assemble the Ford GT.
(The 05 S-281 E may be made there too.)
The facility has a capacity to do much more.
I can see the Saleen facility being the assembly line for other low volume number vehicles like SVT products, but they will not have any Saleen Label.
It's probably cheaper for them to built speciality vehicles, than making separate build lines at the new Mustang plant.
Also, Saleen built 5 GT-R prototypes for Ford, not just one.