2005-2009 Mustang Information on The S197 {Gen1}

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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Dan+March 9, 2005, 10:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dan @ March 9, 2005, 10:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wow...this should make for some interesting discussion.

I'm very happy at the 4.9sec 0-60 run. That's quick.
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It's got to be something in the suspension or tires, both the
Steeda, and Saleen corner better than the stock GT, but they
are both slower 0-60!
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I'm sorry but it's how the car is engineered. The only reasonable explanation for this phenominon. Also 19inchers and 20 inchers aren't exactly needed for "optimal performance". Wheels of this size are more of a Power/Weight Ratio add on. I do understand that this isn't the only aspect that could possibly explain, but could be a starting focal point.

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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 12:46 PM
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Higher profile tires could argueably have more bite off the line. Yes, the other tires have lower profile and are wider thus more contact area, but there sides are also stiffer and so is the rubber. Buh.
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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 01:16 PM
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The day i can't run better than a 13.6 in a 440hp car that weighs 3700 pounds, one of you needs to put a bullet in my head.

Maybe they should try to run it again and not launch like my grandmother, actually, get my grandmother in the car cause she's pretty ad bass, she'll pull a decent time.
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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 02:10 PM
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Old Mar 9, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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AMEN !
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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Larger rims will slow the car down a lot. Not just cause of the added weight, but mainly cause of the increased rotational inertia of the wheels. Assuming most of the weight of a wheel is concentrated near the rim, the inertia of a wheel increases with the square of the radius. So increasing the radius of a wheel by 5% increases its rotational inertia by 25%. More inertia means the wheel is harder to accelerate rotationally.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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How bout that wickedly fast STOCK GT!

I was disappointed by the GTR with the Cammer. I was expecting eyeball popping performance. And the GTR weighs more than the Stock GT but is stripped down.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by mustang_sallad@March 15, 2005, 7:25 PM
Larger rims will slow the car down a lot. Not just cause of the added weight, but mainly cause of the increased rotational inertia of the wheels. Assuming most of the weight of a wheel is concentrated near the rim, the inertia of a wheel increases with the square of the radius. So increasing the radius of a wheel by 5% increases its rotational inertia by 25%. More inertia means the wheel is harder to accelerate rotationally.



Isn't the the overall heigth of the wheel and tire, the same on a 20" rim with low profile 50 or maybe 40 series tires than a 18'' rim with a 60 series tire.

If you messure, they are almost the same height.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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What's with the braking numbers on the GT500E? You'd think for that kid of cash, they would be world class brakes.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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Still dont understand the mid 14 second v6 comment... the best ive seen someone post so far is 15.2 for an automatic. Ive done 15.14 with the 5 speed because i cant seem to get a good launch on it yet.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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GTR gearing anyone?
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:14 PM
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I checked on the company, Sanderson Sales Inc., that builds/sells the GT500E... their message machine said they are no longer accepting orders for the GT500E. :cry:
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by My05Stang@March 15, 2005, 9:07 PM
Isn't the the overall heigth of the wheel and tire, the same on a 20" rim with low profile 50 or maybe 40 series tires than a 18'' rim with a 60 series tire.
If you messure, they are almost the same height.
ya but the mass of the tire is small compared to the mass of the rim. what matters is how much mass is placed how far from the centre of rotation. So by pushing the rim out, you're putting a lot more mass farther out from the centre.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by mustang_sallad@March 15, 2005, 10:24 PM
ya but the mass of the tire is small compared to the mass of the rim
Is that really true? Seems like the reinforced rubber in tires is pretty heavy and aluminum is pretty light Just wondering how much of a difference that really makes.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:12 AM
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I'm just wondering where they got their weight info from? I just checked both Ford and Saleen's websites and this is what they state:

GT Premium-3506 lbs.
GT Deluxe---3487 lbs.
v6 Premium-3371 lbs.
v6 Deluxe---3352 lbs.
Saleen-------3550 lbs.

Anyone want to add to this? I think the #'s and results look odd.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by mcomb+March 16, 2005, 2:26 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mcomb @ March 16, 2005, 2:26 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-mustang_sallad@March 15, 2005, 10:24 PM
ya but the mass of the tire is small compared to the mass of the rim
Is that really true? Seems like the reinforced rubber in tires is pretty heavy and aluminum is pretty light Just wondering how much of a difference that really makes.
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It's all physics, my man. And I would have to agee w/ Mustang Sallad. It makes sense.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by GhostTX@March 9, 2005, 9:07 AM
Since TMS has imposed image upload size, I'll need someone to host these.
Why not just resize them? Then create a personal gallery and put them there.
I use a free program called "Fast Stone" Image Viewer. It works great for cropping and resizing without loosing image resolution.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:02 AM
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Regarding the "slow" GTR... I'm sure those lo-pro tires on 19x10 rims weren't designed for drag strip launches.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:30 AM
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Ok...here's the scans:





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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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And why does the Steeda Silver Q, which according to the charts, weighs the same as a stock GT and has 67 MORE hp and 46 ft/lbs. of torque YET, it has the same 0-60 time, same 1/4 mile time just a little faster but, handles the slalom at a lower speed than the stock GT? Anyone?

EDIT: Also, the article says the Steeda has a 3.73 rear end instead of the stock 3.55.
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