Quick Mustang key question
11/5/06, 05:54 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...44681825QQrdZ1
They are all over ebay. This one is Buy it now $13.79
They are all over ebay. This one is Buy it now $13.79
11/5/06, 06:10 PM
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Did you lose one? If you did wont you need to have ford program it? I got a 3rd one the day I got my car so if I lose one I can get a new one and program it myself. How much does ford charge to program one? I was thinking it was over $50.
11/5/06, 06:44 PM
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heh nah i wouldnt say i lost it persay, but i did get an alarm with auto start that apparently requires a key that is installed in the dash so the auto start will work... dont ask me i know crap about auto start lol
11/5/06, 06:51 PM
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Can't help you with that but for anyone that would like to know about programing the keys look here.
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/350.shtml
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/350.shtml
11/5/06, 07:14 PM
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Does anyone know if there is a sensor or something in the door lock to determine if the key inserted is the correct key? If not, a copied key would open the door without having a computer chip in it. It doesn't say in the owners manual that I recall...
11/6/06, 07:31 AM
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I have a non chipped key that I picked up at a hardware store for $2. It opens the doors and trunk and will turn the ignition far enough to operate all the power accessories. I keep it in my wallet just in case.
If you try to start the car with it the little red security light flashes quickly at you and the car does not start.
If you hold a chipped key up to it, while trying to start the car it works. I do that sometimes when it's really cold and I want to leave the car running in a parking lot for a couple minutes. I figure with the stick shift they'll kill the engine since they aren't used to the clutch and it won't restart.
If you try to start the car with it the little red security light flashes quickly at you and the car does not start.
If you hold a chipped key up to it, while trying to start the car it works. I do that sometimes when it's really cold and I want to leave the car running in a parking lot for a couple minutes. I figure with the stick shift they'll kill the engine since they aren't used to the clutch and it won't restart.
11/6/06, 08:19 AM
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When you lose a key, and only have 1 left, you have to purchase a new key, and have the service department program it, using the laptop. This usually take about 30-45 minutes or so. As for cost? Figure the price of the key, plus half hour, to 3/4 hour of labor. 
11/6/06, 09:29 AM
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96-98 year stangs require ONE keys to program.
Newer stangs require TWO to program. If you only have one you must buy TWO at colse to $70 each. If you have TWO now you can buy a new one and program it yourself for about $25.
Newer stangs require TWO to program. If you only have one you must buy TWO at colse to $70 each. If you have TWO now you can buy a new one and program it yourself for about $25.
11/7/06, 05:39 PM
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I will try this one more time I had a friend that got bit in the a** by this.
Obviously anyone can cut the key but if you only have ONE key you will pay big bucks and YOU MUST GET TWO KEYS.
Dont want to look like a A** but hope to save some of you money.
Summary:
Loosing your 98-present ignition keys can become a nightmare, in this article we tell you how to get a new set of keys from you Ford dealer and how to program a new set
Details:
As most of you know, if you own a 96+ year Mustang, your keys contain an programed chip which communicates to your computer and the car will not start unless this key is used.
What you may not know is; if you lose even one of these two keys that came with your car you cannot have a duplicate made and you must go to Ford dealer to and have two completely new keys made at a cost of up to $72 per key.
YES, you do have to have TWO new keys made, even if you lost one.
If you are on a road trip and the spare key is 100's of miles away, you are going to have to have your car towed and pay for TWO new keys. It could end up costing you $144 for the keys and who know how much for the tow.
From my experience, here is some valuable information:
1) 96-98 year Mustangs only require 1 key for duplication and it can be duplicated by a locksmith with the right electronic equipment. Even road side.
2) If your car is under warranty, Ford will pay to tow your car if you lose your keys. But only to the nearest dealer. And you have to pay for replacement of the lost key.
3) 98 to current year Mustangs require TWO keys to make a duplicate. And as mentioned above, you must take it to a dealer if you lose one or both. On the plus side, if you own a 98+ year you can get ahead of the game, you can program a third key easily yourself. All you need to do is take your current key to a dealer and buy a new key that fits your car with the chip. This costs about $20-35.
The following is the procedure for programing a THIRD key.
1) Insert an existing key and turn the ignition to ON (Run) and then back to OFF.
2) Within 5 seconds insert the 2ND existing key and turn the ignition to ON and then back to OFF.
3) Within 10 seconds insert the NEW 3rd key and turn the ignition to the ON position. Leave it ON for 1 second and then back to OFF.
4) The security light will light up for 3 seconds to indicate that the NEW key has been successfully programmed. That's it.
Now if you lose a key, you still have two keys so you can again program a 3rd new key. Without getting ripped off by the dealer.
Just a suggestion , if you take a long trip, bring an extra key and remote alarm for the car. Give it to someone else along on the trip to hold or hide it in your car. It's easier to brake into the car and get the key then to have it towed.
Obviously anyone can cut the key but if you only have ONE key you will pay big bucks and YOU MUST GET TWO KEYS.
Dont want to look like a A** but hope to save some of you money.
Summary:
Loosing your 98-present ignition keys can become a nightmare, in this article we tell you how to get a new set of keys from you Ford dealer and how to program a new set
Details:
As most of you know, if you own a 96+ year Mustang, your keys contain an programed chip which communicates to your computer and the car will not start unless this key is used.
What you may not know is; if you lose even one of these two keys that came with your car you cannot have a duplicate made and you must go to Ford dealer to and have two completely new keys made at a cost of up to $72 per key.
YES, you do have to have TWO new keys made, even if you lost one.
If you are on a road trip and the spare key is 100's of miles away, you are going to have to have your car towed and pay for TWO new keys. It could end up costing you $144 for the keys and who know how much for the tow.
From my experience, here is some valuable information:
1) 96-98 year Mustangs only require 1 key for duplication and it can be duplicated by a locksmith with the right electronic equipment. Even road side.
2) If your car is under warranty, Ford will pay to tow your car if you lose your keys. But only to the nearest dealer. And you have to pay for replacement of the lost key.
3) 98 to current year Mustangs require TWO keys to make a duplicate. And as mentioned above, you must take it to a dealer if you lose one or both. On the plus side, if you own a 98+ year you can get ahead of the game, you can program a third key easily yourself. All you need to do is take your current key to a dealer and buy a new key that fits your car with the chip. This costs about $20-35.
The following is the procedure for programing a THIRD key.
1) Insert an existing key and turn the ignition to ON (Run) and then back to OFF.
2) Within 5 seconds insert the 2ND existing key and turn the ignition to ON and then back to OFF.
3) Within 10 seconds insert the NEW 3rd key and turn the ignition to the ON position. Leave it ON for 1 second and then back to OFF.
4) The security light will light up for 3 seconds to indicate that the NEW key has been successfully programmed. That's it.
Now if you lose a key, you still have two keys so you can again program a 3rd new key. Without getting ripped off by the dealer.
Just a suggestion , if you take a long trip, bring an extra key and remote alarm for the car. Give it to someone else along on the trip to hold or hide it in your car. It's easier to brake into the car and get the key then to have it towed.
11/8/06, 06:56 AM
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Ok... I'm not doubting you or anything, but something just doesn't make sense.
So I can program my own third key with the first 2. This I understand (i've even done). I also know that if I lose 1 of the keys (so i only have 1 left) the dealer has to create a new one for a chunk of money (you say 72 and I have no reason to doubt that number). Clearly the dealer doesn't use the same process as I would to program the key (he can't he doesn't have 2 keys). So he goes through the process and makes 1 key. I still have 1 key at home 100's of miles away.
Why can't things stop there? The car now has 2 keys programmed to it. Actually 3 since it doesn't know one was lost.
So I can program my own third key with the first 2. This I understand (i've even done). I also know that if I lose 1 of the keys (so i only have 1 left) the dealer has to create a new one for a chunk of money (you say 72 and I have no reason to doubt that number). Clearly the dealer doesn't use the same process as I would to program the key (he can't he doesn't have 2 keys). So he goes through the process and makes 1 key. I still have 1 key at home 100's of miles away.
Why can't things stop there? The car now has 2 keys programmed to it. Actually 3 since it doesn't know one was lost.
11/8/06, 08:30 AM
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Here is how I understand it. With the new set up there is no way to make a new key if you only have one.
If you do not have the second key the dealer will need to reflash your ecu. This will make you origanl key void and your ecu will only work with the new keys.
The thinking behind this is that with the PATS a mechanic, valet parker or anyone you give your key to can make a copy.
With PATSII this can not be done. The down side is that FORD needs 2 keys to make 1 as well.
If you do not have the second key the dealer will need to reflash your ecu. This will make you origanl key void and your ecu will only work with the new keys.
The thinking behind this is that with the PATS a mechanic, valet parker or anyone you give your key to can make a copy.
With PATSII this can not be done. The down side is that FORD needs 2 keys to make 1 as well.
11/8/06, 10:15 AM
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I bought a 06 key from the eBay site referenced in a previous post, simply as a preventive measure. As others have said, you need TWO keys to program a new PATS II key. Lose a key and you are at the dealer’s mercy. These are relatively VERY expensive to get from the dealer.
So, I got a FORD key from eBay - do NOT get the cheap knockoffs! I programmed it with the two original keys I had. Now if I ever loose or damage a key, I still have TWO left. I can get another PATS blank, and I still have two keys. No stealership involvement. Relatively cheap insurance. Sure, I’ll probably never need it now that I have it. Oh well.
One note … take the blank to a good locksmith shop and have them cut the pattern. Then you can program it. I took it to a Sears first - actually I have had good success with this location, even though it was not a locksmith shop, but their machine DID NOT CUT the blank. Seems the machine is set up to only cut their blanks, not a third party blank.
So, I got a FORD key from eBay - do NOT get the cheap knockoffs! I programmed it with the two original keys I had. Now if I ever loose or damage a key, I still have TWO left. I can get another PATS blank, and I still have two keys. No stealership involvement. Relatively cheap insurance. Sure, I’ll probably never need it now that I have it. Oh well.
One note … take the blank to a good locksmith shop and have them cut the pattern. Then you can program it. I took it to a Sears first - actually I have had good success with this location, even though it was not a locksmith shop, but their machine DID NOT CUT the blank. Seems the machine is set up to only cut their blanks, not a third party blank.
11/8/06, 07:29 PM
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I did the same thing, picked up a key and a new fob for 30 bucks on ebay,
Ford cut the key for me for free! (I know people, lol)
programmed them both myself, and now have a 3rd complete working set just in case one is lost.
The key thats needed for the remote start I belive does not need to be cut, and I would recommend not to cut it. This would make it easy for a would be thief to reach under the dash in the remote start box and take out a perfectly good working key and have his way with your car. The key for the remote start only needs to be programmed. At least this is how it worked on my g/f's 05 Focus.
Ford cut the key for me for free! (I know people, lol)
programmed them both myself, and now have a 3rd complete working set just in case one is lost.
The key thats needed for the remote start I belive does not need to be cut, and I would recommend not to cut it. This would make it easy for a would be thief to reach under the dash in the remote start box and take out a perfectly good working key and have his way with your car. The key for the remote start only needs to be programmed. At least this is how it worked on my g/f's 05 Focus.
11/8/06, 07:54 PM
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Just adding my experience:
My Explorer (PATS II) came with only one key. I had a recall done a few weeks ago and I gave the dealer an uncut "Startec" key purchased on eBay. They cut and programmed it for $45.
Regarding the PATS keys and remote starters... as they essentially work on something similar to the Hall effect, by permanently planting a PATS chip in the car, you've also defeated the security it provides. That is, a cut copy can drive the car away.
My Explorer (PATS II) came with only one key. I had a recall done a few weeks ago and I gave the dealer an uncut "Startec" key purchased on eBay. They cut and programmed it for $45.
Regarding the PATS keys and remote starters... as they essentially work on something similar to the Hall effect, by permanently planting a PATS chip in the car, you've also defeated the security it provides. That is, a cut copy can drive the car away.