Nov. Motor Trend 05 Data
9/28/04, 11:56 AM
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The hp/tq curve is pretty darn close to that of a Mach 1. (please note the 'X' axis (RPMs) are not to scale in the two graphs)
See here. 05 Curve from the article.
See here. 05 Curve from the article.
9/28/04, 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by mr-mstng@September 28, 2004, 11:59 AM
The hp/tq curve is pretty darn close to that of a Mach 1. (please note the 'X' axis (RPMs) are not to scale in the two graphs)
See here. 05 Curve from the article.
The hp/tq curve is pretty darn close to that of a Mach 1. (please note the 'X' axis (RPMs) are not to scale in the two graphs)
See here. 05 Curve from the article.
, but the Mach 1 revs higher during shifting the Mach 1 stays closer to the power band, so the Mach has the advantage.It would be nice to see an SE with a higher reving 3-valve 4.6l and less weight.
9/28/04, 12:05 PM
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9/28/04, 12:06 PM
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Looks to me like the biggest difference is the Mach 1 revs to 6500 RPM while the 3V GT red-lines @ 6,200 RPM.
I would have liked to see the '05 GT curve go all the way down to 2,000 RPM though. How much torque it has from 2,000 to 4,000 is pretty important as that's where the engine spends most of its time. The Mach 1 has a great torque curve, 240 RW lb. ft all the way down @ 2500 RPM. No wonder the Mach 1s are so fast.
I would have liked to see the '05 GT curve go all the way down to 2,000 RPM though. How much torque it has from 2,000 to 4,000 is pretty important as that's where the engine spends most of its time. The Mach 1 has a great torque curve, 240 RW lb. ft all the way down @ 2500 RPM. No wonder the Mach 1s are so fast.
9/28/04, 12:38 PM
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One more. Mind you, this not scientific in ANY way, but I simply did the best I could at getting the numbers off the two charts for an overlay of the two. The dots are actual data ponts, and the lines are polynomial trendlines. It appears the mach 1 is stronger on the low end, and the GT will be stronger on the higher end.
9/28/04, 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by StevenJ@September 26, 2004, 6:03 PM
In case you're wondering how the new Mustang stacks up agaisnt the GTO: The American pony is faster and nimbler than the Australian-bred goat-automatic or manual-but a retest will be in order as soon as we can get our hands on the upcoming 400-horse Pontiac-Chris Walton
In case you're wondering how the new Mustang stacks up agaisnt the GTO: The American pony is faster and nimbler than the Australian-bred goat-automatic or manual-but a retest will be in order as soon as we can get our hands on the upcoming 400-horse Pontiac-Chris Walton
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9/28/04, 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by mr-mstng@September 28, 2004, 12:41 PM
One more. Mind you, this not scientific in ANY way, but I simply did the best I could at getting the numbers off the two charts for an overlay of the two. The dots are actual data ponts, and the lines are polynomial trendlines. It appears the mach 1 is stronger on the low end, and the GT will be stronger on the higher end.
One more. Mind you, this not scientific in ANY way, but I simply did the best I could at getting the numbers off the two charts for an overlay of the two. The dots are actual data ponts, and the lines are polynomial trendlines. It appears the mach 1 is stronger on the low end, and the GT will be stronger on the higher end.
9/28/04, 03:23 PM
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1st one.
and i also understand from another thread that you are debating whether to get an auto or a manual.
psst.....manual....cough
Its not a true GTO killer if its not a manual. Sure, the numbers yes, but fun, no.
and i also understand from another thread that you are debating whether to get an auto or a manual.
psst.....manual....cough
Its not a true GTO killer if its not a manual. Sure, the numbers yes, but fun, no.
9/28/04, 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Wombert+September 28, 2004, 5:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wombert @ September 28, 2004, 5:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Goodness, that torque curve looks depressing
Hope to see a pair of long tubes and mid-pipe really wake this car up on the top end.
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Sorry they are so big but atleats they can be read clearly. Also how do you post more than one pic at a time, sorry I'm a newbie to this.
Goodness, that torque curve looks depressing
Hope to see a pair of long tubes and mid-pipe really wake this car up on the top end.
I was well aware of that...:notnice:
I guess after seeing plenty of flatter torque curves, you fall in love
9/28/04, 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Badandy@September 28, 2004, 3:26 PM
1st one.
and i also understand from another thread that you are debating whether to get an auto or a manual.
psst.....manual....cough
Its not a true GTO killer if its not a manual. Sure, the numbers yes, but fun, no.
1st one.
and i also understand from another thread that you are debating whether to get an auto or a manual.
psst.....manual....cough
Its not a true GTO killer if its not a manual. Sure, the numbers yes, but fun, no.
I've decided that I want this car for it's performance - and if I didn't, I should have bought something like Solara :R: instead.
9/28/04, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Flyinlow@September 28, 2004, 12:50 PM
It just means that Ford is continuing to offer value in the Mustang, which has been there for a long time. Even during the Fbody wars of the 80's and 90's, the one thing the Mustang always had going for it was that is was cheaper than the competition.
It just means that Ford is continuing to offer value in the Mustang, which has been there for a long time. Even during the Fbody wars of the 80's and 90's, the one thing the Mustang always had going for it was that is was cheaper than the competition.
In 1993 with the new F-body and old stang, there was a big difference. I bought my 1993 LX for $14,400 with tax, title, and license. A 93 Camaro with limited options was around $18,500 without TTL.
The new Mustang in 1994+ was equal or a little more than the Z28, but cheaper than the firechicken. The only problem was a Cobra was the only thing that could hang with a 93+ F-Body.
9/28/04, 06:05 PM
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I can't put GTO killer on my license plate, because then I would be killing myself?
Should be a good matchup between the 05 stang and the 05 gto, I suspect that MM&FF and HPP will get the same results as the 04 Mach 1 and the 04 GTO, about even, depending on the driver.
Its great to have so many options to choose from. I'm only sorry that Chrysler decided to put the Charger name on a 4 door.
Should be a good matchup between the 05 stang and the 05 gto, I suspect that MM&FF and HPP will get the same results as the 04 Mach 1 and the 04 GTO, about even, depending on the driver.
Its great to have so many options to choose from. I'm only sorry that Chrysler decided to put the Charger name on a 4 door.
9/28/04, 06:13 PM
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For my part, I think it's a tragedy the great muscle names of the past are being dragged through the mud to sell so-so to downright poor cars. I'd love it if the GTO was recognisably a GTO (not necessarily retro), and the engineers put as much thought into it as Ford does with the Stang. Same with the Charger.
9/28/04, 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Greywolf@September 28, 2004, 6:55 PM
The graphs are great but for a real comparison you need to use the same dyno same day same tester
The graphs are great but for a real comparison you need to use the same dyno same day same tester
