Not only do perelli's suck in wet and dry conditions
I forgot to add this to this original post. But I really want to get new tires. The stock P's suck so much, that when accelerating hard, they wont stay planted. You can feel the car move back and forth in the rear a little. It's almost scary. I'm sure if I was on the wrong road, and I did it, the rear end would compltley slide out.
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The Pirellis seem to be a decent all season tire (@ 6K miles on the tires) that I've yet encountered losing dry weather grip diving into 90 and 180 deg. corners and powering out of. Also launching @ 1800 on the tach poses no probs, however I've yet found a way to keep the rear end from fishtailing powering into second
. FWIW tires are consistently kept @ 34 psi.
While on the subject of replacements, being as this is a DD, living along the gulf coast w/ semi tropical conditions and no winters to speak of; what may be the best tire for wet weather conditions? I've had a few harrowing experiences w/ the P Zeroes but have seen some interesting tread patterns for breaking up the water on other tires and was wondering if anyone here buys tires primarily for wet weather traction and performance?
. FWIW tires are consistently kept @ 34 psi.While on the subject of replacements, being as this is a DD, living along the gulf coast w/ semi tropical conditions and no winters to speak of; what may be the best tire for wet weather conditions? I've had a few harrowing experiences w/ the P Zeroes but have seen some interesting tread patterns for breaking up the water on other tires and was wondering if anyone here buys tires primarily for wet weather traction and performance?
Ours is also a daily driver. I have autocrossed with the Pirelli's (inflated to 40PSI to ptotect the sidewalls). They held up well and didn't perform poorly at all. They are a good overall tire to put on the Mustang for original equipment, I think.
For price/performance, though, the replacement set after they are worn down will probably be BFG KDW's. We put those on the bride's car and we both love them.
For price/performance, though, the replacement set after they are worn down will probably be BFG KDW's. We put those on the bride's car and we both love them.
The Pirelli P-Zero Nero is a ULTRA HIGH PERFORMANCE All-Season tire. My experience with UHPAS tires is that they all suck in snow/ice and winter conditions. The tread compound and design is intended to be a compromise between a summer tire and one that works in the rain. The All-season aspect probably entails extra siping to bite into a bit of slush (like 1/2" dusting) and that is pushing it.
The primary reason why I stash the GT for the winter is because of the road salt, the other reason is because I do not feel like storing yet another set of tires for the winter. My Vic has winter tires and they work fine up to 16" of unplowed slush and snow.
There are all-season tires that work well in snow. These are known as Goodyear Assurance TripleTred tires.
The primary reason why I stash the GT for the winter is because of the road salt, the other reason is because I do not feel like storing yet another set of tires for the winter. My Vic has winter tires and they work fine up to 16" of unplowed slush and snow.
There are all-season tires that work well in snow. These are known as Goodyear Assurance TripleTred tires.
Just my 2 cents. The BFG Comp T/A's I had on my '96 were much worse than the Pirelli's on my '05. The BFG's were only reliable on hot dry pavement, and you want to talk fast wear. Maybe the new g-Force are better.
For my daily driver, I think the Pirelli's are a good compromise for most driving conditions. Underline the word compromise. All stock tires are a compromise and can never perform as well as special-purpose: strip, track, snow, ice (you name it) tires. If you need special-purpose tires, keep a set on wheels in the garage. That is what I did with the '96. I had 4 studded snows in there for the winter months.
By the way, I have driven the '05 with just the Pirelli's on packed hard snow when I was called to jury duty (no excuses there). As mentioned by somebody earlier, I just put the auto into 2, started slowly, kept the car moving at lights (just 1/2 mile per hour) and didn't spin out or get stuck once. Judge Mitchell will confirm my attendance, and the guy was not guilty.
For my daily driver, I think the Pirelli's are a good compromise for most driving conditions. Underline the word compromise. All stock tires are a compromise and can never perform as well as special-purpose: strip, track, snow, ice (you name it) tires. If you need special-purpose tires, keep a set on wheels in the garage. That is what I did with the '96. I had 4 studded snows in there for the winter months.
By the way, I have driven the '05 with just the Pirelli's on packed hard snow when I was called to jury duty (no excuses there). As mentioned by somebody earlier, I just put the auto into 2, started slowly, kept the car moving at lights (just 1/2 mile per hour) and didn't spin out or get stuck once. Judge Mitchell will confirm my attendance, and the guy was not guilty.
I managed 45,000 miles on my original set of Pirelli's. Plenty of smokey burnouts, doughnuts, and lots of twisty/curvy/hilly driving in there too. I'm 10,000 miles into my second set.
I'm sure cost had a lot to do with the stock tire choice by Ford as well. Ford wanted a tire that:
- did not cost too much
- would not be the cause of lawsuits from average joes crashing their Mustangs (sudden loss of control from the tires suddenly losing grip)
- has decent NVH characteristics
- has decent dry traction
- has decent wet traction
- has good tire wear characteristics for the average driver
I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't have any complaints about the stock Pirelli's. They have been predictable in all kinds of weather and road surfaces for me. (I have the 17's). I think they're okay.
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