hi5.0

Compared to Ford's numbers, those numbers and that rate of reduction for the following year are pretty good. Even if Toyota isn't bulletproof, it seems its already taken steps to address the issue within the space of a year vs. Ford just talking about it for how long...?

Back to topic! I like Ford's grays and silver, but this is a little too much. Change up the other colors instead of the gray and silvers, and bring back Mineral Gray or (D)S Gray. The color I REALLY wanted to see on the Mustang was the "Tungsten" that was available on the Ford GT or the one on the GT-powered "Platinum Pony" - probably the same color.

Pony Ride

I know silver is a very popular color (so, I'm probably going to get flamed for this comment), but how many different ways is Ford going package and market shiney primer? At lease Alloy and Mineral were darker and metalic variations.

JunTech

I totally agree. I've owned 2 hondas that have never given me a single problem. Nothing nitpicky, and nothing huge, no rattles, squeaks or leaks. Which is not to say Ford dosen't put cars out just as bulletproof. In fact, they do, but on average they have more cars with problems. And therein lies the problem. That is why a lot of Ford owners think the import reputation is Bullsh*t. I believe it is the lucky 30% or so Ford owners who get really solid cars and don't see how inconsistant the manufacturer puts other cars out.

And here's some real owners in real polls:

For the mustang...
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=58821
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2513273/tm.htm

And I know it's not a honda or toyota but i don't hang around those forums
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showth...=159865&page=2

dslimbizkit

please tell me that grabber orange is a one year color!! Its rare as it is ..it would be GREAT if they didn't bring it back ..less of us on the road the better

Boomer

I always laugh at people who want their colour to be rare....

Go paint it some other colour 1of1

GottaHaveIt

my mom's fovorite is ( sky blue pink with purple polk a dots ) to each thier own. or what ever Grabs yah

JunTech

It's almost march, we should be seeing those colors soon right?

Pony Ride

It does make a difference in collectability if the car was a low production color. I know they only made a handful of Competition Orange Cobras in 04. If you're lucky enough to be one of these, you have a very rare Mustang indeed.....

Justabear

Grabber blue (not the Galpin) and Amber Gold (AKA Vomit) some may like it, spotted at a FORD R&D lot. Special thanks to

http://www.mustangblog.com/index.php...stang-spotted/

05fordgt

I'm sorry to jump off topic, but I only have 6 words for the above post: engine sludge and denials by 'Yota!!!

Now back on topic. That vapor silver chop reminded me of the color Light Tundra Ford had a few years ago on Focus and Taurus models. I'm with the fellow who wondered about having 3 versions of silver/grey, crazy . Some of Ford's color choices and selections amaze me too. Look at the Ford Edge. No blues and no greens available at all. But you can get 3 different colors of grey, Pewter, Carbon, and Lt Sage (there is NO green in this color, trust me, I have one in stock, its silver). Strange way they offer colors. If you ask me, all the colors Ford has for all their cars (including L/M) should be offered to every car line. If I wanted a Titanium Green Mustang, I can get one. Just my thought.

ShadowGray

Here's light tundra on my wife's 05 Focus. The LL in the background looks better to me. BTW, the T-Bird is 'Champaigne', a pinkish beige color.

GTJOHN

All these silvers do seem a bit of an overkill, but IMO, Ford needs a better silver. There isn't enough luster in satin silver. It looks too flat IMO.

incomingRPG

Lets survey the general car buying public about Toyota's REPUTATION.

Question #1. Have you heard of a thing called Toyota reliability?

Question #2. Have you heard of engine sludge and denials by Toyota?

Jeff, I never heard of it, doubt if most people have. Sounds like an issue with motor oil and poor maintenance to me. Doubt if I'll remember that when and if the time comes for me to purchase a Toyota. However, I do recall my friends 91 Tacoma?, he never changed the coolant ever, 110,000 miles, blew the head gasket. Toyota's response was a new engine to my complete amazement. Now that I do remember!

Nice car Jeff, Like the color, fogs and stripes

dslimbizkit

Grabber is the most limited produced for '07.. will only make up about 3% of the '07s made ...

05fordgt

Hey Incoming, thanks for the compliment on my car. Its almost finished (though, are they ever really finished, lol). Just wanted to post a link for you about the Toyota Sludge problem. Its wide spread now, and reached class action status, and its all over the internet boards AND in papers. And it has NOTHING to do with customer maintinence, its a problem the engine has in its build. Link below:

Toyota engine sludge problem.

incomingRPG

Interesting I am not an expert on engines and engine design by any means, but I would dispute that it has NOTHING to do with customer maintenance.

That said, I think it is a combination of factors. Now this is speculation on my part...I think that Toyota knows how to build engines. But in their quest for greater efficiency, (sometimes referred to as "the relentless pursuit of perfection", sorry couldn't resist.) I think they may have unintended consequences occuring as they push the envelope with smaller passages in engine design. And I can entertain the possibility of this leading to possible sludge issues.

However I can't help but wonder what effect the quality of motor oil, frequency of oil changes, and vehicle use play in this. I don't think they can be ruled out completely.

I don't know the answer. Is the solution more frequent maintenance? Do we need higher quality motor oils? Is this exclusive to Toyota? I know several Honda and Ford produced engines require 5W-20 due to tight tolerances. I'd be curious as to how differently engineered those engines are compared to those produced by Toyota.

Thanks for the link, I'll keep an eye on this.

rmays06

no offense RPG I am not taking shots at you directly but Toyota is no longer bullit proof! They have thier problems too but the media is still guarded about reporting the wrong they do. They are no longer perfect and the domestic product is catching up to them.
They have never had a good Pick or SUV product and they really aren't taking the world by storm with this new one!! Just my .02cents

incomingRPG

No offense taken. Once upon a time, I would have never considered buying an "import". I never said they are bullit proof, but as I "capitalized" it is their REPUTATION. I couldn't be happier that the domestics are catching up. As consumers we both win.

hiznherponies

The only way to describe it is like you have Tungsten, with a light green-gold tint to it, sort of a lighter Mineral grey. If it really is replacing Tungsten, then IMO, Ford is screwing up, its a color best left on camry's and accord's!!

AFBLUE

Vapor Silver anyone? http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...037#post852037