Looks like the Boss will be the "Cobra R" for the S197. Ford might throw out the rear seat on the Boss. Thats like what, 30-40lbs?

 

I have been saying for 2-3 years that I hoped for would take the terminator motor and drop it into the new bodystyle...

390 is the right horsepower...

unfortunately, I'm no motor whiz, can the mod motors even be bored out?...stroking seems unlikely if a stated goal is really to end up with a revvy motor

Anywho, maybe (HOPEFULLY) Ford is not married to the 5.0 or 302 displacement if the term motor displacement can't be changed, as I think the term motor would be perfect

However, I'm still skeptical on rumored SEs until anything is released...

 

Motor Trend is sayin the new engine is "a rev-happy V-8 of about 5.0 Liters. The new Boss engine is a alloy-block, naturally aspirated V-8 developed from the current modular engine architecture. Whisper out of Dearborn is it's good for atleast 390 horsepower, enough to tackle GM's 400 horse LS2. The Boss interior will be stripped out to keep costs down."

I'm assuming that alloy block is an aluminium alloy, and from what the article said, it looks like the stripping will be more of a cost issue, rather than weight. Sound deadening, lighter stereos (or no stereo), side curtain airbags, the 6-way power seats, leather seating surfaces, IUP components, and maybe even foglights, spare tire, and the carpet in the trunk(probably not) are things I could see getting removed. Maybe even the power outlet in the center console.

The way I see it, they better remove a lot because the GT is kinda heavy at 3500 lbs and the GT500 is a porky son of a (female dog), weighing 3800 lbs, more than some full size sedans, and way too much for a "subcompact" 2 door coupe. The 302 and GT500 suspension components are definitely going to be heavier than the 4.6L and stock GT suspension.

 

I don't know, maybe i'm getting old (53), but i would rather have all the trim then 90 more HP.

 

A bit late to reading this, but holy crap. I am definitely gonna have to save up for this one and may have to toss my beloved six banger (or maybe keep both...LOL). I'm a huge boss fan. Would love to have a current year boss.

 

Just my 2 cents, but I doubt Ford is going to spend a lot of time and money on this project. The R&D has already been done on the Mustang GT and the Shelby, so it only makes sense that we will see a variation of the 4.6L or the 5.4L.

So expect to see either a modified Mustang GT or a watered down Shelby for $33k.

 

How about the center console altogether.
I can't see much weight being lost unless they lose the air conditioner and that boat anchor of a drive shaft. While I don't mind changing the driveshaft out I live in the deep south and my days of riding around in a car with no air is over!

 

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...877#post713877

 

Saleens website has no mention anymore of their PJ Boss 302...
which leads me to thing that that car is Fords next Boss 302
It already has the 5.0 and 390 h.p. Ford has mentioned
in this months MT

 

This webpage is still out there. I also think that Saleen's work on the engine is the basis for what Ford would offer.

 

Either that or Ford "persuaded" them to cancel the model. Didnt people already start ordering it?

And if Ford does use the PJ, I hope they do some changes. Like removing the chrome and the headlight splitters. And that Ford symbol on the back.

 

Agreed, I also believe the PJ Saleen was a executed as an attempt to calculate interest and impact of a Boss 302 model. Ford should concentrate on providing the Boss with a 3,400 curb weight with a full load of fuel, a tight 6 spd trans and nearly 400 N/A HP out of a 5.0L engine. Very supportive cloth front buckets (ala Recaro) are a requirement. I imagine the Boss will be required to have a rear seat but besides A/C and a decent radio, the creature comforts can be removed - the Boss 302 is a drivers car and doesn't need any "luxury" features.

One idea that has been floated elsewhere is that Ford will offer the Boss 302 with the current body style and offer a Boss 351 with the 5.8L Hurricane engine in 2009/10 as a replacement for the GT500 in the restyled Mustang.

I have the deposit ready and waiting, all I need is for Ford to bulid it!!

 

I found some tib bits LOL on Jalopink website posted by op's and since info is hard to come by any little bit I want to hear. I decided to forgo the new body (esp since now its 2010) stlye and go with a Boss as long as long as it is a new motor and is close to 390HP N.A, can't wait for details on the motor and internals.

Ok on to the tib bits. (not fact)

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It's reported to have the Shelby GT-500's suspension and transmission(6-speed) with a newly designed front bumper and some of the luxury components removed to shave off weight.

Yes we knew about GT -500 susp but this is the first I am hearing about the NEW HD 6 spd! and since I am going MT this is great if true. Hey rygenstormlocke remember in our pm I mentioned GT 500 trans hope.


You gotta like this quote!! : )

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And while it is a special edition, it's more than just that. This is supposed to be the real fighter on the streets, not the GT500. The BOSS is supposed to meet head to head with the new Camaro and Ford is poised to undercut whatever $$$ GM throws it out at by attempting to keep the BOSS's price down as much as possible, hence the dropping of some of the added luxury bits.

rygenstormlocke just had to say congrats again on your 12.82 run this weekend with your 05 V6 dam impressive! For op's see link below (hope you don't mind rygn)
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_1800683/tm.htm


If anyone gets any info on the Boss please post even if its tib bits.

 

Thanks TJ! This weekends runs at the track were a real rush!

I really hope Ford keeps prices on the Boss competitive! However, if it looks like the concept drawing, I do fear that dealers will mark it up. Bringing back these models are great, but greedy dealers love marking up anything retro on these new S197's!

But I want a Boss stang really bad. Hopefully GM's Camaro and hopefully the TA photochop will come to be a reality, and create some competition.

As for a 6 speed, right on! I hope it does come in with a 6spd. That would be hell on the street, and with some power shifting, hell on the track. I do hope it shifts better than the stock S197, especially that 3rd gear. I watch Ex13 wrestle with the 3rd gear at the track yesterday. I hear putting in a short throw hurst or other type shifter only helps a tad.

All in all, I can't wait to get one of these.

 

Boss 302, Boss 351, Boss 429

 

YES, Yes and Yes!!!!!

 

I been researching for info on the Boss and from everything I am reading I don’t believe that the Boss is coming with a 5.0 esp at 390HP. I believe its coming with a 5.4L or very slight possibly a 6.2L if the second quote below is correct.
But check this out below FPV(Ford Performance Vehicles) of Australian already has a 5.4L N.A and at the magical 390HP thats been reported in MT. Hmmmm I am thinking good chance the Boss is coming with a 5.4L but I would love to be wrong if it turns out to be the 6.2L : )

Quote:

File this one under "cars we wish were sold in the US". And while you're at it, also file under "excessively clumsy alphanumeric names". While SVT flounders in Ford's home market, the Ford Performance Vehicle (FPV) division of Ford Australia cooks up a RWD four-door sedan with a 290 kW (390 HP) 5.4L Boss V8, the option of a 6-speed T56 manual or 4-speed auto, Brembo brakes, and 19" wheels. Yummy!

http://www.autoblog.com/2005/07/09/the-australian-ford-fpv-mkii-gt-p/





Also found this dated July 26, 2006

 

It has been rumored the 2008 Boss will have either a naturally aspirated 5.4L mod motor or a 6.2L (or 5.8L) version of the yet-to-be-released Hurricane engine each with the aforementioned 390 HP.

Personally, I'd love to see two Boss models, a Boss 302 and a Boss 351 with 390 and 475 hp respectively.

 

I am a c. i. person so the larger the better for me, I did some more research on the Hurricane motor it starts to get confusing on what they are going to possibly put in the Boss still leaning towards the 5.4 but the possibility of one of the Hurricane motors do look more possible to me than I first thought.

Looks like the new motor is capable of going larger than 7.0L if Ford chooses, the program which was cancelled earlier years was to go into Ford trucks but will now also see action in the Mustang to take on the Hemi & the GM motors.

But even the 5.4 @390HP if you think about it with a few mods & gear alone (and or S/C or TC ) has the ability to compete with the Hemi (Challenger 4200lbs) & GM LS motors (Camaro) including the 427 LS-7 Z06 Vette motor.



Has anyone read anything of the rumor of two Boss models and one called the big Boss?

Don't laugh I did read words to that effect above I not making this up.

I just saw this new post (see below link) maybe Motor Trend was right after all looks like the new body style might be on track for 2009 model year of (not 2010) which can be ordered in the summer of 2008.

http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=52031

This is just all a win win situation for us what ever comes out and when, "the future looks so bright I need sunglasses"!

 

One possibility might be for Ford to introduce a Boss 302 in the current body style for '08 just to keep interest high until the resign. For the restyle in either '09 or '10, Ford could up the ante and introduce a Boss 351 with Hurricane power to replace the GT500. Of course, this is just conjecture but I'd vote for this approach in a heart beat!!