Well some of us want 800rwhp on pump gas.

And don't tell me when I've had "enough" horsepower. I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!

 

Well, call it the GT350 then, just as long as we get a lighter, more balanced, handling oriented SE of some sort -- a car that responds as adeptly to a twitch of the wheel as a twitch of the pedal.

I could see room for both a Hi Po "small block," i.e., low-deck Mod motor of either 4.6 or 5.0 displacement and a "big block," i.e., tall deck Mod motor in the 5.4 config. Whether Ford would have the cajones or wherewithall to certifiy such a 1960's style slate of motors is another issue. My guess would be a single DOHC small block Mod motor approaching 400hp that would also suffice for any other SEs, i.e., Bullitt or Mach I. A one-motor SE solution might not be ideal -- a torquey 5.4 would make more sense for a Mach I -- but given Ford's financial straights, I see that as more likely as they are probably more in survival mode than aspirational mode.

But, if their "Bold" ad campaign is more than a lot of hot air hooey...?

 

Bullitt......thats funny.

 

+1 and they may be listening. I know I would not be able to get one but this would be an awesome ride.

 

Yeah, I mean what the hay is a "stripped interior." The GT is already spartan enough.

And you just KNOW ADMs will be part of the deal with these cars, too, meaning only rich folks will be able to afford them in the first year. Unless, of course, Ford makes a "bold move" and puts the greedy dealers on a short leash.

 

Who needs forged internals? Well, even if you are sticking with natural aspiration, you can still spin 'em faster if you don't have to worry about stretching rod bolts, or flexing rods. then.. those that do wanna put a huffer on 'em can without spending another $5K on a forged short block.

 

ADM's shouldn't be a problem...the GT/CS doesn't carry much of one if any, and the Shelby will be a year old by then.

I WILL buy a Boss when/if it bows. I bought my 05 with the intention of using it as a stop-gap until a Boss was offered.
I am hoping for a 5.0 cammer around 400 hp w/ a 6-spd. I would bet on a functional shaker on this one as well.

 

I was going to say this:

"Haha, I understand the significance of a tough rotating assembly Clint. But I also don't think Ford should add a grand to the cost of every Boss so 1% of the buyers can rev their cars past 6500 rpm or satisfy their 11 second quarter mile aspirations. If you want 800rwhp on pump gas, buy the GT500, not a road-racing Boss (I know, the bosses of yore were revvers, but not beyond 6.5k).

I always wonder about people who want more than 400hp to the wheels. Unless you drag race weekly, drive around town on DRs, or God, you're probably not stupid, brave, or skilled enough to safely put that power to any tarmac that isn't caked with VHT.

If Ford sold this thing with forged internals it would likely cost at least $36K, then add $6k or $7k for purchase, installation, and tinkering for a good forced induction kit, and you'd be better off just buying the GT500.

Boss buyers can always swap out gears, perform all the bolt-ons, (maybe even hook up a 70 shot of nitrous for the strip) and take down whatever they like in whichever race format they prefer."


But after a few pills I thought:


"Then again, 1k for forged internals is only like 3% of the car's price, so why the hell not?
High performance Mustang buyers would probably rather have that safety net than comfort package 17 anyway..."


On a side note, I just got my wisdom teeth removed, am extremely bored and mildy coked up on percocet. So my posts won't live up to the incredible reputation I know I have...

 

If its true, I am sure we will hear more about it, in the coming months.
We should see one at the Detroit Auto Show? Maybe New York Auto Show??
If true, wonder when its coming out? Fall of 2007 or Spring of 2008?

If true and when official, I'll be the first guy to order one at my local dealership.

 

Good times.. I still have mine, so I can't say I know what you're goin' through... except the Percocet.... I had some for a pretty killer ear infection a few weeks ago.. that made my face itch. It felt like someone had a feather ... one of those big fluffy ones, and they were tickling my face with it. I'm just glad my wife didn't take advantage of it while I was trying to sleep and put shaving cream in my hands and break out the video camera... although I would have laughed my off in retrospect. Hope you get to feelin' better.

 

This site needs more like you lol

 

What I don't understand is that Ford doesn’t have an emissions legal 5 liter engine. The Cammer is not… And Ford has categorically stated that it won’t be certifying that engine because it is a race engine. I don’t see Ford using the old 5 liter engine as that would be moving backwards and it is not likely to meet current emissions standards in a high performance application. Boring and stroking a 4.6 liter would not be feasible as it would bring significant reliability issues into play. What some engine shops do to get 5 liters from 4.6 liters is incredible. And even if they did, would they not have to re-certify the engine? So where is this engine coming from?
With all that and the statement that they are gonna strip out the interior of the stang to save weight… what no backseat and radio? Thinner carpets? The road noise would kill you.
As to the Shelby suspension… With a car that is that much lighter (as Motor Trend stated), they would have to spend quite a bit of research time and money to re-valve the shocks and tuning other suspension items to make it work.
I would love to see this car but I think Motor Trend is full of stinky brown stuff and wishful thinking.

 

Forged internals aren't really necessary. I'd be happy to with an engine that made 400hp out of the factory and revved to 7K. If the engine make reliable power up to 550 bhp, it would be an amazing engine.

 

While I don't think making a production varient of the 5.0 crate motor would be terrribly onerous -- it is, in the end, basically just another Mod motor with nothing particularly exotic or esoteric -- I see the more likely motor for a Boss to be a DOHC 4.6. Both the DOHC and the shorter stroke of the 4.6 would tend to give it that revvier character ala the old Boss 302. And with Audi getting 420 hp out of a smaller, 4.2 motor in the RS6, 390 out of a larger 4.6 with less exotic technologies (no direct injection, though Ford ought to get on the bandwagon on that) ought to be doable if their "Bold" campaign extends to the engineering department. The shorter stroke, and thus, reduced reciprocating part loads, might negate the need for forged bits, though they'd be nice for a bit of security for perhaps a 7K redline (well below Audi's 8K+ redline!).

An added benefit of the, presumably AL, short block would be a bit less weight on the nose, further enhancing the Boss's road racer personna vs the GT500's nose-heavy powerhouse dreadnaught character.

 

I welcome the increased displacement. Our 4.6L 3Vs can make 350 crank hp pretty easy with minor mods. I think that if Ford used the 5.0L "Cammer" foundation and incorporated a more sophisticated true variable valve timing system on both intake and exhaust, 425 hp should be achievable. A 7K redline is fine with me as well. Engines that have 8K redlines or higher on the market are VERY peaky.

 

http://www.fpv.com.au/media/19546/banner_boss290.jpg
From Australian Ford site.
http://www.fpv.com.au/cars/gt-p/
Introducing the Boss 290 powerplant


The Boss 290 combines the best of both worlds, with race-bred power and everyday comfort. The awe-inspiring Boss 290 is a powerplant unlike any ever built in this country and comes to life on Australia's only current V8 production line.

The Boss 290 was developed right here in Australia by Ford Performance Vehicles for our unique requirements and to meet the rising demands of a new breed of Aussie V8 drivers.

Its 5.4-litre capacity, 32 valves and double overhead camshafts per bank work in concert to produce 290 kilowatts(390hp) of power and a phenomenal 520 Newton metres (383ft lbs) of torque. So not only is there free-revving top-end power but a wall of torque at low speeds as well. In combination with the tuned stainless steel exhaust system, it produces the trademark rumble that lets you know you're driving a real, blue-blooded Aussie V8. It has a quality that clearly communicates who exactly owns the road.



Dear Ford,
If you build it,they will come.

 

Hey guys. First post here in a long time. Don't even remember my old name.

Anyway on to the Boss. I think the Boss 290 Engine wouldnt work. It uses the iron 5.4 block. Together with the 4v heads, thats one heavy package. But looking at the GT500, I dont think Ford really cares about weight.

If I remember right, Saleen is considered a manufacturer because of all the work that goes into their mustangs. They got a 5.0 for the PJ model. Why cant ford do the same? Or does Saleen not need their engines emissions certified?

 

I wonder if some of those spy shots of the GT500 prototypes that we saw were actually disguised Boss prototypes. Could be.

I also second the Austrailian Falcon Boss 290. It's already made by Ford, it's a Boss, it has the speculated number of horsepower, and it fits the past speculation that Ford was going to be releasing a 5.4 liter Mustang at an upcoming show.

 

Wow, I remember talking about this in 2004. I swear I've been having deja vu's since then. rhumb answering the SE rumours for the last 3 years with what generally has been the same wish list doesn't help, LOL.

But I think its more likely in 08/09 just to keep interest high and increase sales prior to the body refresh.

 

+ 3 I think..????

Forged all the way.. that way it won't get a hole in the side of the block if you do major mods..

JMO .. but I would love to have forged internals on my next mustang..

Rex