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Originally posted by kevinb120+July 17, 2004, 10:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kevinb120 @ July 17, 2004, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
We've already had this discussion. I hope you're right, but I'll bet you a dollar that it will be the 300C.
Originally posted by scottie1113@July 16, 2004, 11:14 PM
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get ready Ponyboys & girls...
Motor Trend's Car of the Year -- 2005 Ford Mustang
get ready Ponyboys & girls...
Motor Trend's Car of the Year -- 2005 Ford Mustang
We've already had this discussion. I hope you're right, but I'll bet you a dollar that it will be the 300C.
Ok, kev, you're on. I hope the Mustang wins and I lose.
7/18/04, 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by MustangMan311+July 17, 2004, 8:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MustangMan311 @ July 17, 2004, 8:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dr Iven@July 17, 2004, 12:57 PM
I think the 05 Mustang has a serious advantage on the 300C in that it is an American icon and is way more important to the automotive industry than a rehashed sedan (that many people think is hideous, by the way).
I think the 05 Mustang has a serious advantage on the 300C in that it is an American icon and is way more important to the automotive industry than a rehashed sedan (that many people think is hideous, by the way).
The 300 is still not an American icon. The Mustang is a nameplate recognized all across the world. Go to another country and ask them what a 300 is and they say "300 wha???" They'll know the Mustang ..
7/18/04, 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by USA-Adam+July 18, 2004, 6:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (USA-Adam @ July 18, 2004, 6:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
The 300 was and still is, WAAAY before the Mustang. It just got killed then brought back like the GTO. Except it was way more, well, better.
Originally posted by MustangMan311@July 17, 2004, 8:30 PM
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I think the 05 Mustang has a serious advantage on the 300C in that it is an American icon and is way more important to the automotive industry than a rehashed sedan (that many people think is hideous, by the way).
I think the 05 Mustang has a serious advantage on the 300C in that it is an American icon and is way more important to the automotive industry than a rehashed sedan (that many people think is hideous, by the way).
The 300 was and still is, WAAAY before the Mustang. It just got killed then brought back like the GTO. Except it was way more, well, better.
Well, it's not 100% true. They'll know what a 300C is in Germany. Which reminds me of an interesting post from Edmunds when it comes to this whole "which is domestic and which is foreign...and which is better" argument:
Import vs. Domestic
What is an American car?
Pop quiz time: which of the following is the American car?
1. The coupe designed, engineered and assembled in America.
2. The hatchback designed and engineered in Europe but assembled in Mexico.
3. The sedan styled in America but designed, engineered and assembled in Germany.
4. The upscale convertible designed, engineered and assembled in Europe.
5. The sports car designed, engineered and assembled in America.
To properly answer this question, you must have a clear-cut idea defining an American car, because "all of the above" or "none of the above" are both realistic responses. These days, with mergers, acquisitions and controlling interests muddying the picture, it is getting quite difficult to determine what is to be considered a domestic car and what is to be considered an imported car.
Government regulators at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) say that a domestic car is one that contains 75 percent or more parts content sourced in the United States or Canada. But that means that some Japanese-brand models are technically "American" cars. Patriotic consumers wishing to support American business often claim that if the profits on the car go to an American company, then it is a domestic car. So that means a Volvo (Ford) is "American" and a Dodge (Daimler) is not?
Continued globalization of the auto industry means defining what is an American car and what is an imported car is sometimes impossible. Nearly a decade ago, costly federal legislation was passed requiring auto manufacturers who sold cars in the United States to post a "domestic content label" in the window of every new vehicle. This label showed what percentage of parts were sourced from the U.S. and other countries, and was intended to give consumers a fair understanding of how "American" their set of dream wheels might be.
Recently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) conducted research to see if these domestic content labels were making an impact on car buyers. According to the NHTSA, only one out of every twenty consumers looked at the labels, and most didn't even know they existed.
Now, let's try to answer the question posed above by discussing the vehicles described:
1. Toyota Camry Solara. Though some engineering on this vehicle was handled in Japan, Toyota's Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan, played the starring role in the development of the Camry Solara. It was styled by Toyota's California design studio and is assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky. Profit made on the sale of a Camry Solara goes to Toyota, but thousands of Americans collect paychecks for creating this vehicle. Is it American or import?
2. Ford Focus ZX3. Ford of Europe designed and engineered the Focus, and the ZX3 model sold in the U.S. is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico. Profit made on the sale of a Focus ZX3 goes to Ford Motor Company, but few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of the vehicle. Is it American or import?
3. Cadillac Catera. Based upon the Opel Omega MV6 and assembled in Russelsheim, Germany, the Catera is a European sedan through and through. Designed and engineered in Europe by Adam Opel AG, the Catera's styling was penned at GM's Warren, Michigan, world headquarters. Few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of this vehicle. Is it American or import?
4. Volvo C70 Convertible. This drop-top version of the Volvo C70 Coupe, a joint-effort project between the Swedish automaker and Britain's Tom Walkinshaw Racing, was designed and engineered in Europe. It is assembled in Uddevalla, Sweden. Ford owns Volvo, so profits go to an American car company, but few, if any, Americans collect a paycheck due to its creation. Is it American or import?
5. Dodge Viper GTS. C'mon, this American icon's gotta be full-blooded red, white and blue, right? That depends on how you define an American car. Dodge is a brand underneath the DaimlerChrysler AG corporate umbrella. DaimlerChrysler AG is a German company, so profit made on the sale of a Viper goes overseas. However, it was designed and engineered in the U.S., and is hand-crafted in Detroit, Michigan, allowing many Americans to collect paychecks on the creation of the Viper. Is it American or import?
It's not so easy to tell the difference between an American or import car these days, is it? The result, supported by the research conducted by the NHTSA, is that lots of people have stopped worrying about where the car came from and are more concerned about getting the car that best serves their needs, regardless of its origin or whether the profits flow overseas. Those who are concerned about such things can truly buy American if they conduct thorough research — the Saturn S Series is full-blooded Yank, for example (but not the Opel-based L Series, so be careful!).
Import vs. domestic quality? Well, there’s plenty of common myths here, too. For example, based on annual owner surveys conducted by Consumer Reports, a publication produced by Consumers Union, a Honda Passport is not likely to be as reliable as a Ford Explorer, but a Honda Accord is expected to be dramatically more durable than a Ford Taurus. Of course, when it comes to full-size pickups, well, the Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the world, and well built, too. Guess Ford’s doing something right there. Historically, Hyundais and Kias have not been as well built as Chevys and Dodges. And Buicks consistently rank amongst the most reliable mid and full size vehicles on the road today.
What is an American car?
Pop quiz time: which of the following is the American car?
1. The coupe designed, engineered and assembled in America.
2. The hatchback designed and engineered in Europe but assembled in Mexico.
3. The sedan styled in America but designed, engineered and assembled in Germany.
4. The upscale convertible designed, engineered and assembled in Europe.
5. The sports car designed, engineered and assembled in America.
To properly answer this question, you must have a clear-cut idea defining an American car, because "all of the above" or "none of the above" are both realistic responses. These days, with mergers, acquisitions and controlling interests muddying the picture, it is getting quite difficult to determine what is to be considered a domestic car and what is to be considered an imported car.
Government regulators at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) say that a domestic car is one that contains 75 percent or more parts content sourced in the United States or Canada. But that means that some Japanese-brand models are technically "American" cars. Patriotic consumers wishing to support American business often claim that if the profits on the car go to an American company, then it is a domestic car. So that means a Volvo (Ford) is "American" and a Dodge (Daimler) is not?
Continued globalization of the auto industry means defining what is an American car and what is an imported car is sometimes impossible. Nearly a decade ago, costly federal legislation was passed requiring auto manufacturers who sold cars in the United States to post a "domestic content label" in the window of every new vehicle. This label showed what percentage of parts were sourced from the U.S. and other countries, and was intended to give consumers a fair understanding of how "American" their set of dream wheels might be.
Recently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) conducted research to see if these domestic content labels were making an impact on car buyers. According to the NHTSA, only one out of every twenty consumers looked at the labels, and most didn't even know they existed.
Now, let's try to answer the question posed above by discussing the vehicles described:
1. Toyota Camry Solara. Though some engineering on this vehicle was handled in Japan, Toyota's Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan, played the starring role in the development of the Camry Solara. It was styled by Toyota's California design studio and is assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky. Profit made on the sale of a Camry Solara goes to Toyota, but thousands of Americans collect paychecks for creating this vehicle. Is it American or import?
2. Ford Focus ZX3. Ford of Europe designed and engineered the Focus, and the ZX3 model sold in the U.S. is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico. Profit made on the sale of a Focus ZX3 goes to Ford Motor Company, but few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of the vehicle. Is it American or import?
3. Cadillac Catera. Based upon the Opel Omega MV6 and assembled in Russelsheim, Germany, the Catera is a European sedan through and through. Designed and engineered in Europe by Adam Opel AG, the Catera's styling was penned at GM's Warren, Michigan, world headquarters. Few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of this vehicle. Is it American or import?
4. Volvo C70 Convertible. This drop-top version of the Volvo C70 Coupe, a joint-effort project between the Swedish automaker and Britain's Tom Walkinshaw Racing, was designed and engineered in Europe. It is assembled in Uddevalla, Sweden. Ford owns Volvo, so profits go to an American car company, but few, if any, Americans collect a paycheck due to its creation. Is it American or import?
5. Dodge Viper GTS. C'mon, this American icon's gotta be full-blooded red, white and blue, right? That depends on how you define an American car. Dodge is a brand underneath the DaimlerChrysler AG corporate umbrella. DaimlerChrysler AG is a German company, so profit made on the sale of a Viper goes overseas. However, it was designed and engineered in the U.S., and is hand-crafted in Detroit, Michigan, allowing many Americans to collect paychecks on the creation of the Viper. Is it American or import?
It's not so easy to tell the difference between an American or import car these days, is it? The result, supported by the research conducted by the NHTSA, is that lots of people have stopped worrying about where the car came from and are more concerned about getting the car that best serves their needs, regardless of its origin or whether the profits flow overseas. Those who are concerned about such things can truly buy American if they conduct thorough research — the Saturn S Series is full-blooded Yank, for example (but not the Opel-based L Series, so be careful!).
Import vs. domestic quality? Well, there’s plenty of common myths here, too. For example, based on annual owner surveys conducted by Consumer Reports, a publication produced by Consumers Union, a Honda Passport is not likely to be as reliable as a Ford Explorer, but a Honda Accord is expected to be dramatically more durable than a Ford Taurus. Of course, when it comes to full-size pickups, well, the Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the world, and well built, too. Guess Ford’s doing something right there. Historically, Hyundais and Kias have not been as well built as Chevys and Dodges. And Buicks consistently rank amongst the most reliable mid and full size vehicles on the road today.
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Originally posted by Robert+July 18, 2004, 8:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Robert @ July 18, 2004, 8:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
The 300 was and still is, WAAAY before the Mustang. It just got killed then brought back like the GTO. Except it was way more, well, better.
The 300 is still not an American icon. The Mustang is a nameplate recognized all across the world. Go to another country and ask them what a 300 is and they say "300 wha???" They'll know the Mustang ..
Originally posted by USA-Adam@July 18, 2004, 6:36 PM
Originally posted by MustangMan311@July 17, 2004, 8:30 PM
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I think the 05 Mustang has a serious advantage on the 300C in that it is an American icon and is way more important to the automotive industry than a rehashed sedan (that many people think is hideous, by the way).
I think the 05 Mustang has a serious advantage on the 300C in that it is an American icon and is way more important to the automotive industry than a rehashed sedan (that many people think is hideous, by the way).
The 300 was and still is, WAAAY before the Mustang. It just got killed then brought back like the GTO. Except it was way more, well, better.
The 300 is still not an American icon. The Mustang is a nameplate recognized all across the world. Go to another country and ask them what a 300 is and they say "300 wha???" They'll know the Mustang ..
Import vs. Domestic
What is an American car?
Pop quiz time: which of the following is the American car?
1. The coupe designed, engineered and assembled in America.
2. The hatchback designed and engineered in Europe but assembled in Mexico.
3. The sedan styled in America but designed, engineered and assembled in Germany.
4. The upscale convertible designed, engineered and assembled in Europe.
5. The sports car designed, engineered and assembled in America.
To properly answer this question, you must have a clear-cut idea defining an American car, because "all of the above" or "none of the above" are both realistic responses. These days, with mergers, acquisitions and controlling interests muddying the picture, it is getting quite difficult to determine what is to be considered a domestic car and what is to be considered an imported car.
Government regulators at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) say that a domestic car is one that contains 75 percent or more parts content sourced in the United States or Canada. But that means that some Japanese-brand models are technically "American" cars. Patriotic consumers wishing to support American business often claim that if the profits on the car go to an American company, then it is a domestic car. So that means a Volvo (Ford) is "American" and a Dodge (Daimler) is not?
Continued globalization of the auto industry means defining what is an American car and what is an imported car is sometimes impossible. Nearly a decade ago, costly federal legislation was passed requiring auto manufacturers who sold cars in the United States to post a "domestic content label" in the window of every new vehicle. This label showed what percentage of parts were sourced from the U.S. and other countries, and was intended to give consumers a fair understanding of how "American" their set of dream wheels might be.
Recently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) conducted research to see if these domestic content labels were making an impact on car buyers. According to the NHTSA, only one out of every twenty consumers looked at the labels, and most didn't even know they existed.
Now, let's try to answer the question posed above by discussing the vehicles described:
1. Toyota Camry Solara. Though some engineering on this vehicle was handled in Japan, Toyota's Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan, played the starring role in the development of the Camry Solara. It was styled by Toyota's California design studio and is assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky. Profit made on the sale of a Camry Solara goes to Toyota, but thousands of Americans collect paychecks for creating this vehicle. Is it American or import?
2. Ford Focus ZX3. Ford of Europe designed and engineered the Focus, and the ZX3 model sold in the U.S. is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico. Profit made on the sale of a Focus ZX3 goes to Ford Motor Company, but few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of the vehicle. Is it American or import?
3. Cadillac Catera. Based upon the Opel Omega MV6 and assembled in Russelsheim, Germany, the Catera is a European sedan through and through. Designed and engineered in Europe by Adam Opel AG, the Catera's styling was penned at GM's Warren, Michigan, world headquarters. Few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of this vehicle. Is it American or import?
4. Volvo C70 Convertible. This drop-top version of the Volvo C70 Coupe, a joint-effort project between the Swedish automaker and Britain's Tom Walkinshaw Racing, was designed and engineered in Europe. It is assembled in Uddevalla, Sweden. Ford owns Volvo, so profits go to an American car company, but few, if any, Americans collect a paycheck due to its creation. Is it American or import?
5. Dodge Viper GTS. C'mon, this American icon's gotta be full-blooded red, white and blue, right? That depends on how you define an American car. Dodge is a brand underneath the DaimlerChrysler AG corporate umbrella. DaimlerChrysler AG is a German company, so profit made on the sale of a Viper goes overseas. However, it was designed and engineered in the U.S., and is hand-crafted in Detroit, Michigan, allowing many Americans to collect paychecks on the creation of the Viper. Is it American or import?
It's not so easy to tell the difference between an American or import car these days, is it? The result, supported by the research conducted by the NHTSA, is that lots of people have stopped worrying about where the car came from and are more concerned about getting the car that best serves their needs, regardless of its origin or whether the profits flow overseas. Those who are concerned about such things can truly buy American if they conduct thorough research — the Saturn S Series is full-blooded Yank, for example (but not the Opel-based L Series, so be careful!).
Import vs. domestic quality? Well, there’s plenty of common myths here, too. For example, based on annual owner surveys conducted by Consumer Reports, a publication produced by Consumers Union, a Honda Passport is not likely to be as reliable as a Ford Explorer, but a Honda Accord is expected to be dramatically more durable than a Ford Taurus. Of course, when it comes to full-size pickups, well, the Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the world, and well built, too. Guess Ford’s doing something right there. Historically, Hyundais and Kias have not been as well built as Chevys and Dodges. And Buicks consistently rank amongst the most reliable mid and full size vehicles on the road today.
What is an American car?
Pop quiz time: which of the following is the American car?
1. The coupe designed, engineered and assembled in America.
2. The hatchback designed and engineered in Europe but assembled in Mexico.
3. The sedan styled in America but designed, engineered and assembled in Germany.
4. The upscale convertible designed, engineered and assembled in Europe.
5. The sports car designed, engineered and assembled in America.
To properly answer this question, you must have a clear-cut idea defining an American car, because "all of the above" or "none of the above" are both realistic responses. These days, with mergers, acquisitions and controlling interests muddying the picture, it is getting quite difficult to determine what is to be considered a domestic car and what is to be considered an imported car.
Government regulators at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) say that a domestic car is one that contains 75 percent or more parts content sourced in the United States or Canada. But that means that some Japanese-brand models are technically "American" cars. Patriotic consumers wishing to support American business often claim that if the profits on the car go to an American company, then it is a domestic car. So that means a Volvo (Ford) is "American" and a Dodge (Daimler) is not?
Continued globalization of the auto industry means defining what is an American car and what is an imported car is sometimes impossible. Nearly a decade ago, costly federal legislation was passed requiring auto manufacturers who sold cars in the United States to post a "domestic content label" in the window of every new vehicle. This label showed what percentage of parts were sourced from the U.S. and other countries, and was intended to give consumers a fair understanding of how "American" their set of dream wheels might be.
Recently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) conducted research to see if these domestic content labels were making an impact on car buyers. According to the NHTSA, only one out of every twenty consumers looked at the labels, and most didn't even know they existed.
Now, let's try to answer the question posed above by discussing the vehicles described:
1. Toyota Camry Solara. Though some engineering on this vehicle was handled in Japan, Toyota's Technical Center in Ann Arbor, Michigan, played the starring role in the development of the Camry Solara. It was styled by Toyota's California design studio and is assembled in Georgetown, Kentucky. Profit made on the sale of a Camry Solara goes to Toyota, but thousands of Americans collect paychecks for creating this vehicle. Is it American or import?
2. Ford Focus ZX3. Ford of Europe designed and engineered the Focus, and the ZX3 model sold in the U.S. is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico. Profit made on the sale of a Focus ZX3 goes to Ford Motor Company, but few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of the vehicle. Is it American or import?
3. Cadillac Catera. Based upon the Opel Omega MV6 and assembled in Russelsheim, Germany, the Catera is a European sedan through and through. Designed and engineered in Europe by Adam Opel AG, the Catera's styling was penned at GM's Warren, Michigan, world headquarters. Few Americans collect paychecks for the creation of this vehicle. Is it American or import?
4. Volvo C70 Convertible. This drop-top version of the Volvo C70 Coupe, a joint-effort project between the Swedish automaker and Britain's Tom Walkinshaw Racing, was designed and engineered in Europe. It is assembled in Uddevalla, Sweden. Ford owns Volvo, so profits go to an American car company, but few, if any, Americans collect a paycheck due to its creation. Is it American or import?
5. Dodge Viper GTS. C'mon, this American icon's gotta be full-blooded red, white and blue, right? That depends on how you define an American car. Dodge is a brand underneath the DaimlerChrysler AG corporate umbrella. DaimlerChrysler AG is a German company, so profit made on the sale of a Viper goes overseas. However, it was designed and engineered in the U.S., and is hand-crafted in Detroit, Michigan, allowing many Americans to collect paychecks on the creation of the Viper. Is it American or import?
It's not so easy to tell the difference between an American or import car these days, is it? The result, supported by the research conducted by the NHTSA, is that lots of people have stopped worrying about where the car came from and are more concerned about getting the car that best serves their needs, regardless of its origin or whether the profits flow overseas. Those who are concerned about such things can truly buy American if they conduct thorough research — the Saturn S Series is full-blooded Yank, for example (but not the Opel-based L Series, so be careful!).
Import vs. domestic quality? Well, there’s plenty of common myths here, too. For example, based on annual owner surveys conducted by Consumer Reports, a publication produced by Consumers Union, a Honda Passport is not likely to be as reliable as a Ford Explorer, but a Honda Accord is expected to be dramatically more durable than a Ford Taurus. Of course, when it comes to full-size pickups, well, the Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the world, and well built, too. Guess Ford’s doing something right there. Historically, Hyundais and Kias have not been as well built as Chevys and Dodges. And Buicks consistently rank amongst the most reliable mid and full size vehicles on the road today.
I know what you are getting at, but does the 300C have an American postage stamp? That's what I thought. Almost everybody knows what a Mustang is, few people know or care about the 300C unless they are car guys.
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