Important Question About Quality
#102
Originally posted by Robert@October 20, 2004, 10:24 PM
When newbies come on here and attack me for merely questioning aspects of the Mustang (something Iève EARNED the right to do as a long time poster and Mustang owner)...and slag a candidate for President who served bravely for his country, faced death and earned medals, then I as a former soldier am going to take great offense.
Attack others...live with the consequences.
When newbies come on here and attack me for merely questioning aspects of the Mustang (something Iève EARNED the right to do as a long time poster and Mustang owner)...and slag a candidate for President who served bravely for his country, faced death and earned medals, then I as a former soldier am going to take great offense.
Attack others...live with the consequences.
#103
Originally posted by Kamikaze@October 18, 2004, 3:12 PM
Before we get started I would like to introduce myself. I reside in Long Beach, California and I'm an Electrical Engineer specializing in DVRs Installation for ProtechPC. Since I've seen the new Mustang I have been a complete fan but today I went to purchase one and I was deeply dissapointed. The car felt very cheap in the inside from the steering wheel to the guage covers and the seat was mighty high it did not feel like a sport car in the slightest use of the term. Me being 6' 4'' I felt quite engulfed in the confines of very cheap plastic and it made the setting very unpleasant. Mind you I was sitting inside a v6 if that is relevant to the situation presented. I would like to ask those of you who have sat in a GT is there a difference in the materials between the two? Because I find it disturbingly odd that a bargain basement car like a Kia could have a better interior then an American classic such as the Mustang. Any help that you can provide me with will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.
Before we get started I would like to introduce myself. I reside in Long Beach, California and I'm an Electrical Engineer specializing in DVRs Installation for ProtechPC. Since I've seen the new Mustang I have been a complete fan but today I went to purchase one and I was deeply dissapointed. The car felt very cheap in the inside from the steering wheel to the guage covers and the seat was mighty high it did not feel like a sport car in the slightest use of the term. Me being 6' 4'' I felt quite engulfed in the confines of very cheap plastic and it made the setting very unpleasant. Mind you I was sitting inside a v6 if that is relevant to the situation presented. I would like to ask those of you who have sat in a GT is there a difference in the materials between the two? Because I find it disturbingly odd that a bargain basement car like a Kia could have a better interior then an American classic such as the Mustang. Any help that you can provide me with will be deeply appreciated. Thank you.
out
as soon as you say kia everyone here thats seen the car and sat in it knows your full of poo
and dont let the door hit you in the hiney on the way to your new rio
#104
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
#105
Originally posted by kevinb120+October 20, 2004, 9:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kevinb120 @ October 20, 2004, 9:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Robert@October 20, 2004, 10:24 PM
When newbies come on here and attack me for merely questioning aspects of the Mustang (something Iève EARNED the right to do as a long time poster and Mustang owner)...and slag a candidate for President who served bravely for his country, faced death and earned medals, then I as a former soldier am going to take great offense.
Attack others...live with the consequences.
When newbies come on here and attack me for merely questioning aspects of the Mustang (something Iève EARNED the right to do as a long time poster and Mustang owner)...and slag a candidate for President who served bravely for his country, faced death and earned medals, then I as a former soldier am going to take great offense.
Attack others...live with the consequences.
Well said...and fair enough.
#107
All I can say is -
I do not agree with everything or everyone in this thread, but I respect their right to state their thoughts.
If we don't like it, we can click right out of the thread and move on.
I do not agree with everything or everyone in this thread, but I respect their right to state their thoughts.
If we don't like it, we can click right out of the thread and move on.
#108
Originally posted by jcopin@October 20, 2004, 8:41 PM
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
#109
LOL you guys are great! I live for these type of threads. Anyway to answer your question Kamikaze. I seen both today in person. One GT with IUP and one without. IUP certainly makes a big difference. Without it does look cheaper looking. Wouldn't stop me from buying one or nothing but I will be ordering mine with IUP. Whether it is actually cheaper or not is up to the experts. All I know is that appearance-wise, the IUP adds a ton.
Gotta see that in person. B)
Jason
Gotta see that in person. B)
Jason
#110
Let this thread be an example to those who may not have a lot of experience with Internet forums.
This guy made it obvious he was nothing but a troll from the get go, some of you all had a problem with my post calling him on it.
There are people who get a rise out of creating chaos. He's one of them.
If you don't feed them, they go away.
The reason I'm on this board is because of this same lunacy on Stangnet, lets not let that happen here.
This guy made it obvious he was nothing but a troll from the get go, some of you all had a problem with my post calling him on it.
There are people who get a rise out of creating chaos. He's one of them.
If you don't feed them, they go away.
The reason I'm on this board is because of this same lunacy on Stangnet, lets not let that happen here.
#111
Originally posted by Kamikaze+October 20, 2004, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kamikaze @ October 20, 2004, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jcopin@October 20, 2004, 8:41 PM
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
im smart enough to not buy a eclipse
#112
Originally posted by Kamikaze+October 20, 2004, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kamikaze @ October 20, 2004, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jcopin@October 20, 2004, 8:41 PM
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
eclipse is such a girl car...dont kill me amy..i mean like the..LIKE OH MY GOD! girl car...i think it actually drips some tranny fluid once a month. I couldnt even get both my legs in the eclipse but mustang i fit fine and im 6'1 220lbs
ive been in my girlfriends brothers civic and never really thought...wow that plastic looks amazing! and thing is he knows nothing bout cars and was all like Japanese Japanese Japanese blah blah and now hes like i want a real car but is afraid to say a mustang cuz he knows il kick his hiney for being a retard
oh yea that other nation never has recalls.....oh yea they just dont admit to problems..nice way out lol
tell that to my mothers 96 camry with the sludged up engine much better quality than my fathers 78 E150 with 350K on it..was DRIVEN to junkyard 1 year ago with its original engine
#113
i also remember my uncle was always like oh amercian cars stink..then recently he was spotted in a 04 emplorer limited..oh well
cuz his problem free 97 honda accords (2 of em) ....with the broken moonroofs cdplayers window motors rattling squeeking...well you get the point
i like the recent CRV randomly catching fire problem..or that honda recall not to long ago where they recalled a ton of vehicles for tranny problems
cuz his problem free 97 honda accords (2 of em) ....with the broken moonroofs cdplayers window motors rattling squeeking...well you get the point
i like the recent CRV randomly catching fire problem..or that honda recall not to long ago where they recalled a ton of vehicles for tranny problems
#114
Originally posted by SixtySix@October 20, 2004, 9:29 PM
Let this thread be an example to those who may not have a lot of experience with Internet forums.
This guy made it obvious he was nothing but a troll from the get go, some of you all had a problem with my post calling him on it.
There are people who get a rise out of creating chaos. He's one of them.
If you don't feed them, they go away.
The reason I'm on this board is because of this same lunacy on Stangnet, lets not let that happen here.
Let this thread be an example to those who may not have a lot of experience with Internet forums.
This guy made it obvious he was nothing but a troll from the get go, some of you all had a problem with my post calling him on it.
There are people who get a rise out of creating chaos. He's one of them.
If you don't feed them, they go away.
The reason I'm on this board is because of this same lunacy on Stangnet, lets not let that happen here.
#115
Originally posted by SixtySix@October 20, 2004, 10:29 PM
Let this thread be an example to those who may not have a lot of experience with Internet forums.
This guy made it obvious he was nothing but a troll from the get go, some of you all had a problem with my post calling him on it.
There are people who get a rise out of creating chaos. He's one of them.
If you don't feed them, they go away.
The reason I'm on this board is because of this same lunacy on Stangnet, lets not let that happen here.
Let this thread be an example to those who may not have a lot of experience with Internet forums.
This guy made it obvious he was nothing but a troll from the get go, some of you all had a problem with my post calling him on it.
There are people who get a rise out of creating chaos. He's one of them.
If you don't feed them, they go away.
The reason I'm on this board is because of this same lunacy on Stangnet, lets not let that happen here.
#117
I have been a member of Stangnet for a year, and this is exactly the reason I left there to come here. Well, that and Brad's second to none information on virtually every mustang ever made. I agree, please lock this one down.
#119
As for interior quailty, the Mustang w/wo the IUP certainly has some weaknesses. The seats are dead flat with no side bolstering to speak of. One of the seat fabrics with the word "MUSTANG" repeated is very dated. The parking brake handle is perfect for E-brake turns but very large. The 12V port/cigarette lighter is in a bad spot (it might be located OK for a radar detector power cord). The red floor mats sold with the red leather interior should be charcoal. The console should have more storage space. There should be four cup holders. The door mounted speakers will get foot bashed and don't have the tweeters in line with the occupants ears. Matching speaker chrome bezel rings like those around the instruments are needed. For safety, the front seat belt shoulder guide should be attached to the seat, not the B pillar. This will force the seat designers to make the recline machanism crashworthy.
Regarding the 'vert, it will likely still have manual latching, even the Mini 'vert did away with the manual latches. The Mini 'vert rear seats fold down to permit a pass through and are lockable, I doubt the Mustang 'vert will be as useful. A built in roll bar like the PT Cruiser would be nice.
I'm done picking out the fly specks from the pepper. I say the interior is a nine out of ten. I'm lovin' it.
Regarding the 'vert, it will likely still have manual latching, even the Mini 'vert did away with the manual latches. The Mini 'vert rear seats fold down to permit a pass through and are lockable, I doubt the Mustang 'vert will be as useful. A built in roll bar like the PT Cruiser would be nice.
I'm done picking out the fly specks from the pepper. I say the interior is a nine out of ten. I'm lovin' it.
#120
Originally posted by kevinb120+October 18, 2004, 10:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kevinb120 @ October 18, 2004, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
I don't care if it's "simple stamped, sit on the floor" tin foil, it's still better executed than anything coming out of 'Detroit', and the sales figures reflect that. The majority of the public are not as stupid as you might like to think. They know quality when they see it and touch it.
Originally posted by Robert@October 18, 2004, 11:51 PM
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@October 18, 2004, 10:39 PM
"quality" or not, it is still the thin-walled simple stamped steel sit-on-the floor formula japanese sedan.
"quality" or not, it is still the thin-walled simple stamped steel sit-on-the floor formula japanese sedan.
I don't care if it's "simple stamped, sit on the floor" tin foil, it's still better executed than anything coming out of 'Detroit', and the sales figures reflect that. The majority of the public are not as stupid as you might like to think. They know quality when they see it and touch it.
sad thing is that Japanese owners dont understand is
you CAN NOT tell them anything bad about imports.. apparently jesus works on the assembly line next to all the robots (way to employ people! yay)
structure wise Japanese cars are GARBAGE
i remember when my girl was getting her mustang she had a lancer rental.. and i tapped my friends montero with it at 1 mph
i NEVER seen that m uch damage on a car!
HOLY crap!
crush half the front end in ( thank god for insurance), destroyed a head light and bumper, hood, everything
AT 1MPH in the driveway!
most people have no CLUE what quality Japanese cars are.. looks at scions) but 99% of them buy them blindly cuz everyone overlooks problems with Japanese cars.. Japanese car can have a million problems..and a Japanese owner will say its nothing.... the second a ford gets a flat its a Piece of Ship =p