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I know hypothetical questions tend to not do well on these boards, but I just couldn't resist.
Question:
If Phil Martens, Hau Tai-Tang, etc. polled you as part of the development of an SE Mustang, what would you ask for and why?
Question:
If Phil Martens, Hau Tai-Tang, etc. polled you as part of the development of an SE Mustang, what would you ask for and why?
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Originally posted by grabbergreen@February 9, 2005, 11:32 PM
I know hypothetical questions tend to not do well on these boards, but I just couldn't resist.
Question:
If Phil Martens, Hau Tai-Tang, etc. polled you as part of the development of an SE Mustang, what would you ask for and why?
I know hypothetical questions tend to not do well on these boards, but I just couldn't resist.
Question:
If Phil Martens, Hau Tai-Tang, etc. polled you as part of the development of an SE Mustang, what would you ask for and why?
My Answer:
A "BOSS 5.4"
Why:
-- A BOSS model is long overdue.
-- Nobody living outside of a trailer park with mountains of rusted Camaros and Challengers uses cubic inches anymore.
-- A 3v 5.4L Naturally-Aspirated V8 would produce over 350hp, assuming the same horsepower/liter figure as the 4.6L version. Note, however, that the horsepower/liter ratio will probably be higher for the 5.4L, as it is newer from head to toe than the 4.6L, which has been around since god-knows-when. So, we're probably looking closer to 400hp.
-- I would like something more than 300hp for bragging rights, but I simply can't justify getting more than 400hp. There are no tracks in my area and we have highway patrols out the wazoo.
Specifics:
-- Blacked-out hood
-- SUBTLE aerodynamic body-work
-- Black leather interior with cream stitching as per the Ford 427 Concept
-- "Grabber" colors, as per the '69 and '70 BOSS
-- Black striping and accents
-- Off-set '69 Mustang logo on grille, as per the '69 BOSS and Mach 1
-- Billet chrome fine-tooth grille
-- 5.4L NA V8, 3v w/VVT
-- Live axle rear
-- 6-MT
-- MSRP around $31K
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hmmm. i;d go witha a Boss aswell, but i'd want it a bit different.
i DO want more cubes. not much tho, 5.8L will do it. thats uh, 351. as in BOSS 351
kinda like this
styling cues from these would be in order...
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so something like this is what im hoping for, minus the Mach 1 logos replaced with Boss 351 logos etc
2005 mach
i'd want, again, at least 400hp, live axle, 6spd would be nice, louvers most definately, those magnums of course, functional ram air, side exhaust would totally rock, still keep it aroun $30K, and obviously a 351 V8. now that i think of it, a 351 V10 would raise costs WAAAAY too much for it to be productiove. its a fun dream, but not practical. so lets take a Windsor n use that
yum
AND competition orange as an available color Grrrr. and i want all the black accents to be matte.
if you're lisnin, please build it![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
EDIT: wtf? i cant link my own images from MY site?
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i DO want more cubes. not much tho, 5.8L will do it. thats uh, 351. as in BOSS 351
kinda like this
styling cues from these would be in order...
![](http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/71-73/71/Boss351-8.jpg)
![](http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/71-73/71/1971Boss351Blue2.jpg)
so something like this is what im hoping for, minus the Mach 1 logos replaced with Boss 351 logos etc
2005 mach
i'd want, again, at least 400hp, live axle, 6spd would be nice, louvers most definately, those magnums of course, functional ram air, side exhaust would totally rock, still keep it aroun $30K, and obviously a 351 V8. now that i think of it, a 351 V10 would raise costs WAAAAY too much for it to be productiove. its a fun dream, but not practical. so lets take a Windsor n use that
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AND competition orange as an available color Grrrr. and i want all the black accents to be matte.
if you're lisnin, please build it
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EDIT: wtf? i cant link my own images from MY site?
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Originally posted by future9er24@February 10, 2005, 12:11 AM
i'd want, again, at least 400hp, live axle, 6spd would be nice, louvers most definately, those magnums of course, functional ram air, side exhaust would totally rock, still keep it aroun $30K, and obviously a 351 V8. now that i think of it, a 351 V10 would raise costs WAAAAY too much for it to be productiove. its a fun dream, but not practical. so lets take a Windsor n use that
yum
AND competition orange as an available color Grrrr. and i want all the black accents to be matte.
if you're lisnin, please build it![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
EDIT: wtf? i cant link my own images from MY site?
GRrr
i'd want, again, at least 400hp, live axle, 6spd would be nice, louvers most definately, those magnums of course, functional ram air, side exhaust would totally rock, still keep it aroun $30K, and obviously a 351 V8. now that i think of it, a 351 V10 would raise costs WAAAAY too much for it to be productiove. its a fun dream, but not practical. so lets take a Windsor n use that
![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
AND competition orange as an available color Grrrr. and i want all the black accents to be matte.
if you're lisnin, please build it
![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
EDIT: wtf? i cant link my own images from MY site?
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Nice idea, but I got two points for ya:
1) There is no way in frozen Hades this thing will only cost $30K. You're looking upwards of $40K with everything you've mentioned...
2) I should point out that a V10 version of the current 4.6 Liter V8 would come out to about 5.8 Liters. So, hypothetically, they'd just have to modify the current 4.6L to allow for two more cylinders. Just thought you'd like to know!
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Ok... you guys might think I'm crazy... and that I'm going against tradition but...
I live in Wisconsin... we have very nice weather for a convertible for 6 months of the year and really crappy weather for rear wheel drive the rest fo the year so....
I would love an all-wheel drive convertible. 350HP V8, 6-speed manual, AdvanceTrac, Heated Seats
True the all-wheel drive will eat up most of the HP gain, but I have to drive this in the real world.
I live in Wisconsin... we have very nice weather for a convertible for 6 months of the year and really crappy weather for rear wheel drive the rest fo the year so....
I would love an all-wheel drive convertible. 350HP V8, 6-speed manual, AdvanceTrac, Heated Seats
True the all-wheel drive will eat up most of the HP gain, but I have to drive this in the real world.
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-- Nobody living outside of a trailer park with mountains of rusted Camaros and Challengers uses cubic inches anymore.
Oh, and in response to the question, I agree, I'd love a Boss, especially with a 351! Talk about putting the muscle back into muscle car. :worship:
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If were just talking about a regular special edition (not a SVT version), Id just like to see some basic upgrades in appearance and preformance. Something along the lines of old GT 350 and GT 500. Niether of those cars made 350 or 500 HP, but they did have unique exterior modification and a good increase in power over the regular GT's of the day. Hopefully that would keep costs under 32k.
Something Easily Distinguishable (sp?) from a regular GT or V6
Give me another 35-50 HP (through any combo of an intake, exaust, computer tuning, pullies etc)
something that doesnt cost just as much as a cobra....
Something Easily Distinguishable (sp?) from a regular GT or V6
Give me another 35-50 HP (through any combo of an intake, exaust, computer tuning, pullies etc)
something that doesnt cost just as much as a cobra....
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Originally posted by PeterPienaar@February 10, 2005, 7:11 PM
See here now, :-) I happen to like "ci" better than "litre." Just like I like "Mustang" better than "350Z." It's classic American muscle terminology.
Oh, and in response to the question, I agree, I'd love a Boss, especially with a 351! Talk about putting the muscle back into muscle car. :worship:
-- Nobody living outside of a trailer park with mountains of rusted Camaros and Challengers uses cubic inches anymore.
Oh, and in response to the question, I agree, I'd love a Boss, especially with a 351! Talk about putting the muscle back into muscle car. :worship:
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Originally posted by Hudster@February 10, 2005, 11:15 PM
How about taking the "Cammer" off the track and putting a version of it in the dealerships??
How about taking the "Cammer" off the track and putting a version of it in the dealerships??
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Without even hesitating to think about it: BOSS 302!!!!!! Or just a Boss of some kind. I don't care what it's called after the word Boss.
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I would like to see engine options
302 CI N/A
302 CI S/C
351 CI N/A
351 CI S/C
Pushrod or not on those, doesn't matter to me.
I also want Grabber colors back!
Choice of Live or IRS on the option sheet
The choice to delete items off the car upon order. I don't want A/C or a radio please.
I know that will never happen, but there it is.
302 CI N/A
302 CI S/C
351 CI N/A
351 CI S/C
Pushrod or not on those, doesn't matter to me.
I also want Grabber colors back!
Choice of Live or IRS on the option sheet
The choice to delete items off the car upon order. I don't want A/C or a radio please.
I know that will never happen, but there it is.
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Originally posted by grabbergreen+February 10, 2005, 12:20 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(grabbergreen @ February 10, 2005, 12:20 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-future9er24@February 10, 2005, 12:11 AM
i'd want, again, at least 400hp, live axle, 6spd would be nice, louvers most definately, those magnums of course, functional ram air, side exhaust would totally rock, still keep it aroun $30K, and obviously a 351 V8. now that i think of it, a 351 V10 would raise costs WAAAAY too much for it to be productiove. its a fun dream, but not practical. so lets take a Windsor n use that
yum
AND competition orange as an available color Grrrr. and i want all the black accents to be matte.
if you're lisnin, please build it![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
EDIT: wtf? i cant link my own images from MY site?
GRrr
i'd want, again, at least 400hp, live axle, 6spd would be nice, louvers most definately, those magnums of course, functional ram air, side exhaust would totally rock, still keep it aroun $30K, and obviously a 351 V8. now that i think of it, a 351 V10 would raise costs WAAAAY too much for it to be productiove. its a fun dream, but not practical. so lets take a Windsor n use that
![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
AND competition orange as an available color Grrrr. and i want all the black accents to be matte.
if you're lisnin, please build it
![04](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/04.gif)
EDIT: wtf? i cant link my own images from MY site?
![Wtf](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/wtf.gif)
Nice idea, but I got two points for ya:
1) There is no way in frozen Hades this thing will only cost $30K. You're looking upwards of $40K with everything you've mentioned...
2) I should point out that a V10 version of the current 4.6 Liter V8 would come out to about 5.8 Liters. So, hypothetically, they'd just have to modify the current 4.6L to allow for two more cylinders. Just thought you'd like to know!
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1) i can dream cant i?
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2) trust me i know that, in fact thats EXACTLY what they did for the 1999 Boss 351 (see the link to my site) in fact, thats why i said they should bring back the 5.8L (351) Windsor. it was in the first gen Lightnings after all. and theres already a HUGE aftermarket following for that engine, cuz its very similiar to the 289/302 engines. actually if im not mistaken, its the same block? anyone wanna correct me if im wrong?
also, what in hades is wrong with a grande. i've seen some GREAT notchback chops that would be awesome as a grande. there are plenty of old grandes from 69-73 that still were kickass cars and had powerful motors. why the hate?
and all those engine options would be nice. the 60s were cool. there were like 7 engines, a great mix and match game, if u were buying a new one. theres so much less choice now...
ghia :nono:
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Originally posted by crazyhorse+February 10, 2005, 10:17 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crazyhorse @ February 10, 2005, 10:17 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Hudster@February 10, 2005, 11:15 PM
How about taking the "Cammer" off the track and putting a version of it in the dealerships??
How about taking the "Cammer" off the track and putting a version of it in the dealerships??
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I second that!
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Originally posted by future9er24@February 12, 2005, 4:00 PM
......in fact, thats why i said they should bring back the 5.8L (351) Windsor. it was in the first gen Lightnings after all. and theres already a HUGE aftermarket following for that engine, cuz its very similiar to the 289/302 engines. actually if im not mistaken, its the same block? anyone wanna correct me if im wrong?
......in fact, thats why i said they should bring back the 5.8L (351) Windsor. it was in the first gen Lightnings after all. and theres already a HUGE aftermarket following for that engine, cuz its very similiar to the 289/302 engines. actually if im not mistaken, its the same block? anyone wanna correct me if im wrong?
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Hmmmm.... I'd say bring back the mach as a regular production model, screw the SE status. That way these BOSS guys could have their SE BOSS mustangs.
Other than that,
07 Mach 1 MSRP 30 to 32k
Shaker hood
GT-R grille
70 Mach styling cues
375hp 3v All aluminum 5.4
6-Spd manual
4.10 8.8
Bad Boy exhaust
275's on 18" wheels
Other than that,
07 Mach 1 MSRP 30 to 32k
Shaker hood
GT-R grille
70 Mach styling cues
375hp 3v All aluminum 5.4
6-Spd manual
4.10 8.8
Bad Boy exhaust
275's on 18" wheels