Hurricane 5.0 Liter in 2008 Mustangs!!
12/6/06, 02:35 PM
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Hurricane 5.0 Liter in 2008 Mustangs!!
Have you all heard about the Hurricane 5.0 liter engine being planned for all 2008 Mustang GTs! They will put out about 400HP! There is talk of a Boss with a tuned version of the Hurricane putting out 450HP.
The best bet in my mind is to wait for the 2008's to come out. If shelby is still doing the Shelby Gt's, then we'll get a heck of a better engine with all the other goodies that will be on the 2007's. I'd hate to get a 2007 at a high ADM, then have the 2008's come out with the Hurricane and send the value of my 4.6L down the toilet! Just my $.02
The best bet in my mind is to wait for the 2008's to come out. If shelby is still doing the Shelby Gt's, then we'll get a heck of a better engine with all the other goodies that will be on the 2007's. I'd hate to get a 2007 at a high ADM, then have the 2008's come out with the Hurricane and send the value of my 4.6L down the toilet! Just my $.02
12/6/06, 03:10 PM
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I hate Motor vapour/Trend. And Ford for getting the uninformed all mixed up with model years, and brand names.
But the 'Maro does get the Z28 at 400 horses though. That was leaked on the TV last night.... Fall 07 build, M/Y 08 debut. And an SS later on...
But the 'Maro does get the Z28 at 400 horses though. That was leaked on the TV last night.... Fall 07 build, M/Y 08 debut. And an SS later on...
12/6/06, 04:38 PM
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Do you think Ford will wait for the Camaro and Challenger since that cat is already out of the bag? We already know the Camaro will have 400HP and the Challenger will have 340-400HP. I say, Why wait?
I'm forever hopeful.
I'm forever hopeful.
12/6/06, 07:53 PM
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If I were able to pick the next GT's motor, I'd much rather see something like a HO version of a 5.8L SOHC Boss V-8 with an emphasis placed on a broad, fat torque curve that peaks early and lasts through a large portion of the band than a peak hp effort intended primarily to wow spec sheet wannabe's.
That 5.0L V-8 which you surmise could find it's way into a Mustang GT would be pumping out something like 80hp/liter. Thats exactly as much (and in reality just a bit more) as the last generation BMW M5 V-8 manages with individual throttle bodies for every cylinder and DOHC's. The state of the art is advancing, but I find it hard to believe Ford could corral that many ponies from a SOHC V-8 of 5.0L running on regular fuel. And the GT seems certain to employ SOHC's, and I'd bet it will stick with 87 octane unless a rather large mpg and emissions benfit is found in premium.
As indicated above, I'd much rather see something tuned to deliver power along the lines of the new Mercedes 5.5L V-8. That Mercedes mill produces 382hp and 391lb-ft tq from 2800rpm to 4800rpm. Mercedes didn't chase peak hp figures because they know enough at this point to know better. In an acceleration contest the Mercedes S-Class powered by this mill can easily run with, and in some cases away from, more potent competition (when measured in terms of peak hp) from rival makes even though it generally possesses no advantage in terms of weight or gearing relative to most of these.
Yes, that is a DOHC motor in the Merc, but the power delivery isn't out of line relative to what one might expect from a slightly juiced SOHC V-8, especially one as good as the Boss is rumoured to be. Give me a 5.8L, SOHC powered Mustang GT making about 385hp and something around 400lb-ft tq or even a bit above (and that peak torque should come in nice and early to be sure, think something like 3000rpm maximum) all backed by a 6-speed manual and I'd be mighty pleased indeed.
This should stack up nicely to a LS-powered Camaro, even one making 400hp, since the same could reasonably be expected to be very similar in character to the current 6.0L LS2 despite a potential displacement bump to 6.2L. The 5.8L Boss V-8 proposed above would almost certainly have a pretty serious edge in torque delivery if not in peak torque over said LS V-8, which should more than make up for any hp advantage on the part of the Chevy.
And again, if the Boss is as good as rumours indicate, those numbers should be producable on 87 octane if Chevy could get 400hp out of a mass-produced 6.0L pushrod V-8 on premium in 2005. Better torque and regular unleaded versus the General's premium would be wonderful indeed. And a 5.8L V-8 for the GT would leave room for a more budget minded, V-8 powered LX model utilizing a smaller version of the Boss V-8 below the GT.....further diversifying a good thing and shoring up sales over time eliminating some of the need to resort to tape and stripe packages.
That 5.0L V-8 which you surmise could find it's way into a Mustang GT would be pumping out something like 80hp/liter. Thats exactly as much (and in reality just a bit more) as the last generation BMW M5 V-8 manages with individual throttle bodies for every cylinder and DOHC's. The state of the art is advancing, but I find it hard to believe Ford could corral that many ponies from a SOHC V-8 of 5.0L running on regular fuel. And the GT seems certain to employ SOHC's, and I'd bet it will stick with 87 octane unless a rather large mpg and emissions benfit is found in premium.
As indicated above, I'd much rather see something tuned to deliver power along the lines of the new Mercedes 5.5L V-8. That Mercedes mill produces 382hp and 391lb-ft tq from 2800rpm to 4800rpm. Mercedes didn't chase peak hp figures because they know enough at this point to know better. In an acceleration contest the Mercedes S-Class powered by this mill can easily run with, and in some cases away from, more potent competition (when measured in terms of peak hp) from rival makes even though it generally possesses no advantage in terms of weight or gearing relative to most of these.
Yes, that is a DOHC motor in the Merc, but the power delivery isn't out of line relative to what one might expect from a slightly juiced SOHC V-8, especially one as good as the Boss is rumoured to be. Give me a 5.8L, SOHC powered Mustang GT making about 385hp and something around 400lb-ft tq or even a bit above (and that peak torque should come in nice and early to be sure, think something like 3000rpm maximum) all backed by a 6-speed manual and I'd be mighty pleased indeed.
This should stack up nicely to a LS-powered Camaro, even one making 400hp, since the same could reasonably be expected to be very similar in character to the current 6.0L LS2 despite a potential displacement bump to 6.2L. The 5.8L Boss V-8 proposed above would almost certainly have a pretty serious edge in torque delivery if not in peak torque over said LS V-8, which should more than make up for any hp advantage on the part of the Chevy.
And again, if the Boss is as good as rumours indicate, those numbers should be producable on 87 octane if Chevy could get 400hp out of a mass-produced 6.0L pushrod V-8 on premium in 2005. Better torque and regular unleaded versus the General's premium would be wonderful indeed. And a 5.8L V-8 for the GT would leave room for a more budget minded, V-8 powered LX model utilizing a smaller version of the Boss V-8 below the GT.....further diversifying a good thing and shoring up sales over time eliminating some of the need to resort to tape and stripe packages.
12/6/06, 08:11 PM
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Have you all heard about the Hurricane 5.0 liter engine being planned for all 2008 Mustang GTs! They will put out about 400HP! There is talk of a Boss with a tuned version of the Hurricane putting out 450HP.
The best bet in my mind is to wait for the 2008's to come out. If shelby is still doing the Shelby Gt's, then we'll get a heck of a better engine with all the other goodies that will be on the 2007's. I'd hate to get a 2007 at a high ADM, then have the 2008's come out with the Hurricane and send the value of my 4.6L down the toilet! Just my $.02
The best bet in my mind is to wait for the 2008's to come out. If shelby is still doing the Shelby Gt's, then we'll get a heck of a better engine with all the other goodies that will be on the 2007's. I'd hate to get a 2007 at a high ADM, then have the 2008's come out with the Hurricane and send the value of my 4.6L down the toilet! Just my $.02
When Ford announces it, I'll believe it.
12/6/06, 09:29 PM
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If that's accurate, and they plan to release a 400 HP Camaro in '08, I wouldn't doubt if Ford IS, in fact, moving up plans to offer more horsepower in the '08 Mustang. Let's face it, with Mulally in there now, things are changing faster than even TMS can keep track of.
Think about it: If Ford doesn't keep pace with the Camaro in '08, they'll lose business...though I suppose one could argue that they'll still win on cost, but...
12/6/06, 09:36 PM
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This silly season stuff is fun to chat and speculate about. In my book it sure beats the "Best way to close your hood" thread. Which is already at post #28.
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showthread.php?t=57173
12/6/06, 10:43 PM
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What's wrong with the 4.6L 3V? ... Right now they have the 4.0L V6, the 4.6L V8, the 5.4L V8.. and the 5.0L V8 in development.
Unless your theory is that the 5.0 replaces the 4.6 and the 5.8 replaces the 5.4?
Unless your theory is that the 5.0 replaces the 4.6 and the 5.8 replaces the 5.4?
12/6/06, 10:52 PM
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Ford won't release a 400hp GT (with the current chassis) because:
- Ford (or any manufacturer) simply can't produce a small block NA engine making that much power for a $25k car.
- The live axle means the factory can't dial in camber and toe in the rear to make the power safe enough for the average dude.
- The GT needs a common tire size front and back, this means you can't put wide enough tires on the back to make the power safe enough for the average dude.
12/7/06, 02:16 AM
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I wouldn't get my hopes up, I don't expect to see any variation of the Hurricane in the Mustangs until 09 at the earliest. And I don't believe anything Motor trend says, they claimed back in 92-93 that the 94 Mustang GT was to get a 320 horse version of the 32V 4.6L, and it got the 215 horsepower 5.0
So far we know of a 5.8 and a 6.2 Hurricane/boss motor, nothing else has been confirmed...
I think Motor Trend is making the mistake of thinking the newly released pushrod windsor Boss 302 is some 5 liter versoin of the Hurricane.
One thing I don't understand is after all the money spent on development of the 4V heads on the mods and buying Feulings 3V head design for it as well, they'd revert back to 2 valve's on the Hurricane engines?? I know GM and Dodge are getting good numbers out of their big pushrod 2 valve motors (403-425 horsepower), but I can only imagine what a 3-4 valve 5.8-6.2 would crank out!
So far we know of a 5.8 and a 6.2 Hurricane/boss motor, nothing else has been confirmed...
I think Motor Trend is making the mistake of thinking the newly released pushrod windsor Boss 302 is some 5 liter versoin of the Hurricane.
One thing I don't understand is after all the money spent on development of the 4V heads on the mods and buying Feulings 3V head design for it as well, they'd revert back to 2 valve's on the Hurricane engines?? I know GM and Dodge are getting good numbers out of their big pushrod 2 valve motors (403-425 horsepower), but I can only imagine what a 3-4 valve 5.8-6.2 would crank out!
12/7/06, 06:25 AM
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Yeah, wildcat, I read the MT article too. I guess it's not a very credable source, according to the posters here. Maybe it's too good to be true? Too radical of an idea for Ford to pull off?? But hey, it was right there in print. Time will tell.
12/7/06, 06:31 AM
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