houstonram

If they can sell it and someone will buy it. Why wouldn't you want to sell it?

Makes sense to me.

Free market is always hard when cars come out. A guy I know at work paid $3000 over MSRP for his Honda S2K when it came out. But he didn't seem to have a problem with that.

Just bad for the little guy who wants to get a car in the end.

Kevin you are absolutely right. Retool a plant. I hear they might shut down a line at the Explorer plant in Wentzville, MO. (Outside of St. Louis.) They should retool that one for the Mustang.

holderca1

Well there's a lull in news until SEMA and the California show, we gotta talk about something. B)

Personally I would like to see more news about the vert, I am ready to order one.

kevinb120

The dealer looks at it as if they are going to loose the ONE display car they have, then they are going to make it worth thier while. Has anyone seen 3 or more gt's at a dealer yet ALL with markups? Then they are gouging.

SirWindsor

you should sticky a "BEFORE YOU POST GREEDY DEALER.... learn you economics!" thread.

HUGLE

Is it me, but it sure SEEMS like there are alot of new "members" posting lately that do nothing but try to flame other members??????? Seems to me, some sales people are a little touchy about our complaints, and log on here to complain..... I think I smell some rats....

holderca1

Is it me, but it sure SEEMS like there are alot of new "members" posting lately that do nothing but try to flame other members??????? Seems to me, some sales people are a little touchy about our complaints, and log on here to complain..... I think I smell some rats.... [/b][/quote]
Yeah, if it were up to me, I would order straight from Ford and have FedEx deliver.

HUGLE

Yeah, if it were up to me, I would order straight from Ford and have FedEx deliver. [/b][/quote]

SirWindsor

Is it me, but it sure SEEMS like there are alot of new "members" posting lately that do nothing but try to flame other members??????? Seems to me, some sales people are a little touchy about our complaints, and log on here to complain..... I think I smell some rats.... [/b][/quote]
I didn't know people were so touchy here. I'm not a dealer, nor a salesman, i consider myself an "educated" businessman.

If i was trying to buy an '05 and saw a dealer marking it up like that I'd lean into the salesman a little but i certainly wouldn't call the BBB or Ford.

I'm sorry my post count isn't high enough to give a surrogate representation of my knowledge. I just won't say anything from now on if the truth seems a little harsh for the optimists.

houstonram

Yeah, if it were up to me, I would order straight from Ford and have FedEx deliver. [/b][/quote]
I second that!

Galaxie

That would be amazing if it was that easy, just build a ton of Mustangs out of 10 Factories

Too bad flexible manufacturing isn't THAT flexible

houstonram

I used to live across the highway from the Chrysler plant in Fenton, MO. I remember people telling me the work that went into retooling a line. It doesn't sound like fun.

Boss89

Hey Fast351, I didn't see your comments on how the 05 Saleen looks.... fill us in on any details you caught please.

Boss89

oops wrong forum, sorry. how did that happen........

Texas Flood

The Windveil Blue GT has been at Champion/Gulf Fwy for almost a week now. They called me the first day it was in (last Wednesday), and it "only" had a $5k markup then. It's interesting that they haven't been able to sell it in that amount of time.

The Boss Hog

I agree! Any dealer who raises the price above MSRP is low-down immoral skunk!

The Boss Hog

PS I assume that you, being of high moral charater, will insist on paying full MSRP even when the rebates come next summer

95 S-351 R-Code

Since they are so greedy, Ford needs to send them less cars! On second thought they need to pull there franchise! :notnice:

Drivetime

SirWindsor - Great graphic economics 101 lesson!!!!!!

Robert

Unfortunately, it's not just a question of economics - most of us get supply & demand. It's also a question of public relations and customer service.

At a time when Ford Motor Co. is hemorrhaging money, it's bad PR for dealers (the company's first line of customer service) to start gouging people on prices just because Ford FINALLY has a hit that people want to buy.

It sends out the wrong message at a critical time in an increasingly competitive global market.

How is someone going to feel in a few months when the novelty is wearing off...they see Mustangs on every streetcorner...they realize they got gouged...and their car is starting to have squeaks and rattles (something a new owner on these boards is already complaining about!).

How will they feel about what the dealer did to them then? :scratch:

Also, any dealership that would engage in these kinds of unethical practices probably will give you horrific aftersales service - it just stands to reason that they're more concerned with a quick sale than in retaining a happy repeat customer.

Ford needs to set higher standards for its dealerships.

I remember here in Vancouver when the G35 Coupes were in short supply - there was a line up for them, but dealers weren't charging more than MSRP for them...Infiniti probably would have pulled their franchises.

These kinds of dealerships - and we're getting a lot of reports of this here - are engaging in shortsighted long-term strategies that can only hurt Ford Motor Co. further. :notnice:

In the meantime, go elsewhere.

upstate

It seems like Ford attempted to go to great lenghts to have a couple at each store. To try and wet everyone appetite. They haven't had a hit in awhile in cars and may not of perfected all this yet. I hope they are producing enough. Auto sources are only saying by the end of this week they will of built around 15,000. Since the suppliers can't deliver the parts fast enough they've slowed output! Not a good thing.

SirWindsor

Unfortunately, it's not just a question of economics - most of us get supply & demand. It's also a question of public relations and customer service.

At a time when Ford Motor Co. is hemorrhaging money, it's bad PR for dealers (the company's first line of customer service) to start gouging people on prices just because Ford FINALLY has a hit that people want to buy.

It sends out the wrong message at a critical time in an increasingly competitive global market.

How is someone going to feel in a few months when the novelty is wearing off...they see Mustangs on every streetcorner...they realize they got gouged...and their car is starting to have squeaks and rattles (something a new owner on these boards is already complaining about!).

How will they feel about what the dealer did to them then? :scratch:

Also, any dealership that would engage in these kinds of unethical practices probably will give you horrific aftersales service - it just stands to reason that they're more concerned with a quick sale than in retaining a happy repeat customer.

Ford needs to set higher standards for its dealerships.

I remember here in Vancouver when the G35 Coupes were in short supply - there was a line up for them, but dealers weren't charging more than MSRP for them...Infiniti probably would have pulled their franchises.

These kinds of dealerships - and we're getting a lot of reports of this here - are engaging in shortsighted long-term strategies that can only hurt Ford Motor Co. further. :notnice:

In the meantime, go elsewhere. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, I just disagree.
If you've ever been to a Toyota dealership, you should still have the bite marks on you.
If your product is superior, let your sales force be the evilest, spawn on the planet that produces numbers.

But the product quality is not the dealers concern per se, they get paid for warranty work either way as long as warranty work does not impede regular service.

they are not gouging prices because they "have a hit" they simply have greater demand than supply. The car is not widely known accept among Ford Loyalist, they haven't even started a serious marketing campaign for the mustang yet.

There will not be a public relations nightmare from a few hundred customers that paid over msrp. You didn't here anything about the scalping with the 350z or G35 coupe, and despite the rumors you heard i accompanied a friend to numerous Nissan dealers that wanted $10K over sticker for the new Z. Didn't affect sale one bit when supply met demand. Those that wanted the car then could afford to pay for it.

To say that all mustangs will start creaking and making noises and there will be a large public backlash (or even a significantly large population of said customers) of overpaying dissatisfied Mustang customer is a) a statisticly low population B) speculation.

there are no ethics in sales. just satisfied and dissatisfied customers. :shock:

the mustang will sell, fools will pay over MSRP, the loyal mustang owner will have to wait plain and simple. The interest in the new mustang has already been shown to be seven times the interest in the new F150 introduced last year.

if you are a mustang loyal, just don't buy it for that price and you wont create a false demand. The power of price is in the consumer anyway.
just relax, if you want to be the first on the block, you'll pay, plain and simple.