Dan

Nope, probably not.

But seeing as how Ford will eventually bump up the rating it would still be interesting to speculate as to how they would do so.

trublustang03

Couldn't just a more aggressive tune get you that much horsepower and torque increase?

Dan

I'm not sure. We've seen dyno results from CAI's with 87 octane tunes but tuning the stock airbox more aggressively??...... Nothing is for free so the extra power is coming from somewhere.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

FinlayZJ

Correct me if i'm wrong, because I very might be......

Didn't one of the earliest 05 mules dyno ~290 at the wheels. If that was a number, and they backed it down for production, maybe they could be tuning it again for more power.

Just a thought.

Dan

I remember that. I'm not sure if we ever validated that story (it was someone saying they dyno'd one somewhere).

I hope that isn't the case as that would mean Ford didn't give us the power we were entitled to IMO. I don't think it is right for them to limit the output with the computer just so they can bump it up later in the run.....

I'm very doubtful that's the case though because CAI's with a tune from a 3rd party tuner is getting the car there. That should reverse anything ford did to limit the output should it not? And those cars are running higher octane and a CAI.

05GT-O.C.D.

I'm skeptical - I admit it. So, I have some questions.

1) Does FoMoCo have a history of using outside research companies for their product development? Seems like something they'd keep in-house.

2) Do any other Fords have the heated seats button on the dash? I've only seen them on the seat trim itself.

3) Was the Ford engineer Asain?

Sorry to be a Doubting Thomas, but that's a pretty cool story if true. Sounds like it was fun.

NYtoDCStang

Asian? I don't get that one....

evilernie

Me too. My BS-o-meter is in the red.

V10

Lincoln LS has the heated seat buttons on the dash.

I belive the Fusion, Milan, Zephyr heated seat buttons are also on the dash.


By the way, 6 months or more ago, there was a rumor that the 07 Stang GT and V6 would both get a HP boost. There was a thread that discussed it here. There was also an e-mail posted a long time ago (Maybe a year) from a Ford Cologne engineer who said there were working on a HP boost for the 4.0 V6 for the 2007 MY.

Way back in the spring of 04 at one of the 05 Mustang tour events a Ford engineer said that they were already working on bumping up the HP of the 3V, 4.6 engine.

None of this proves or disproves the story about an 07 test drive, but any changes to the 07 Mustang will be locked in by the end of calander year 2005. Manufacturing lead time, ya know.

05stangkc

Historically Ford Raises the Horsepower every two to three Years to help stimulate a Reason to trade up. As Far as the Airbox it is ALL I have found so Far. That does not mean other things may come into Play as the Cataloging is Updated. It is Pretty early to get a complete picture. As Always I will glean for any changes and post as Discovered.As Far as Styling Changes those would not usually be revealed in a Test of this sort. I suspect a Styling option in the near future that will be very well recieved.

kc

05GT-O.C.D.

Nothing racist.

I don't remember his exact title, and sure can't spell his name. But the Mustang's chief engineer is Hua Tai Tang.

So... I was asking if the engineer he met was Mr. Tang. (sp?)

Ripstang

If I recall the mustang was running about 315 to 317hp (not 300hp) so to say a gain of 20hp may not be far off with the loss of the H-trap and a re-worked air box ,but that's putting everything right on spec .
I know I prefer a under-rated car and finding out I got more that what I payed for like the 05 .
And the heated seats would be a nice option as long as there's temperature controlled for each seat .

Galaxie

I doubt they will get HP gains out of just a computer tune. They want to keep long term reliability and longevity up. That is why most engines are conservatively tuned.

to get 25 stock HP I am sure they are doing something to the top end of the engine. Pehaps they are revising the combustion chamber design, increasing the flow rate of the heads or a revised intake, maybe a combination of all of the above.

Maybe there is a small bump in displacement as well? maybe there are a few cubes hidden in that 4.6

burningman

if that is true you are gonna have to glue a brick to the cluch to keep it from blowing away. I drove George's GT and the clutch it feather light..I can't imagine it being lighter.

Ripstang

I noticed ford racing has a 5.0 block which was a reworked 4.6 and that block is the base for the cammer motor (5.0)
I wonder if they worked a 3 valver set of heads on that one ,the cammer was good for 400 hp and could be tuned up to and over 500 hp .
So maybe a 340hp 5.0 rated at 325 with 3 valve heads?

Amy V6

cool

05stangkc

A Softer Clutch is not always a weaker clutch. I have used CENTERFORCE Clutches in My High Horsepower 440 Mopar's and they hold great with a Lighter Pedal.

kc

05stangGT

Yeah, I thought there would be some skeptics, but why in the world would I make this up? I am a Ford employee, so maybe this research company only uses employees that already have the 05 and want some feedback. I had to take a 25 question survey and I got to speak with an engineer. NO CAMERA'S ALLOWED. I tried. There were no physical changes that I could see and I didn't get a chance to look under the hood. The only thing the engineer said was that there was about 25HP and 20LBS of torque increase. The dummy buttons next to the AC and rear defrost buttons were for heated seats and also the rearview mirror had a homelink button and a compass. There was a tire pressure dummy light in the gauges too. After an hour and a half of driving all over dearborn, I got in my car and the clutch seemed extremely stiff. Also, where the power outlet is on the dash between the vents was a huge red button that read "STOP" -- I guess to shut off the engine during their testing. Other than that there were no other changes that I could see. He had a laptop sitting in the back seat plugged into the port under the steering wheel running a bunch of stats.

That's it. Believe it or not, but I'll place money that the 2007 model GT will have a HP and Torque increase!

1 COBRA

Not on the GTs.

Boomer

Yeah, the last gen GTs stayed at 260 from 99-04
As did the V6...they just changed the rating slightly... 190 vs 193
and went from the 3.8 to a 3.9L engine in the 04 with the exact same rating.

I remember talking to a guy a while back at Essex about the 4.0L
He mentioned they had a target of 250hp (probably for future considerations)
I would not doubt a power bump of the GT from 300 to say 325 over 2007/2008
and maybe a 2009 redesign with 350hp.
(guessing here)

At that point you'd pretty much NEED the 5.4 or the 4.6 4v S/C engine in any S/E
I'd guess the 5.4 3v

Ford is teeing up to take on the 'proposed pony cars from the other 2'
I'm sure they aren't resting on their laurels....