2005-2009 Mustang Information on The S197 {Gen1}

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Old 8/27/04 | 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by onetorquedhorse@August 27, 2004, 7:30 AM
Agreed, no question that the cobra-r(minus the rice wing) looks much more appealing when sitting next to the 2005. It just doesn't have a very agressive looking front fascia to me. On the other hand, with the gt-r front fascia on the 05 the car just looks mean.
Even though I ordered the 05 GT (now don't get mad at me) I don't like the looks of it without any aftermarket changes. It just seems like it is missing something.
Agreed with both of you. Even the 18" fan blades don't cut it for me. Those rims are very the same to those new Mazda fan blades rims on the RX-8, Mazda3, etc. Don't know, they doesn't look like Mustang rims or his retro body style. The prototype has 20" rims, now those were nasty, perfect!

The car is bigger than the SN95 (94-04) in every way, except in wide, I think they're an inch less wide, and Ford throw on it those types of rims that, man, something is missing right there. They're thinner, and even the 17" bullitt look like a 15" wheel compare to the size of the car.

If you put side to side the concept car and the production car the difference in the body style isn't that different. Put a window scoop(rear quater) and 20" rims on the production car and you'll got an extremely beautiful, mean stance car, hands down.

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Old 8/27/04 | 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by rm2000+August 27, 2004, 11:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rm2000 @ August 27, 2004, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-adrenalin@August 27, 2004, 8:51 AM
I would like to see a picture of a blue 05 GT next to a blue 04 GT for a better comparison.
I couldn't find a good front shot of a 2005 Blue GT but here is a comparison V6 against my 2001 [/b][/quote]
The SN-95 looks like a much more aggressive car. I know that the '05 is faster, but it seems a little "dumbed down"
Old 8/27/04 | 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by jgsmuzzy+August 27, 2004, 11:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jgsmuzzy @ August 27, 2004, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by rm2000@August 27, 2004, 11:26 AM
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I would like to see a picture of a blue 05 GT next to a blue 04 GT for a better comparison.

I couldn't find a good front shot of a 2005 Blue GT but here is a comparison V6 against my 2001
The SN-95 looks like a much more aggressive car. I know that the '05 is faster, but it seems a little "dumbed down" [/b][/quote]
Nope. I've seen the 05 next to the SN-95. No comparison. The 05 is much more aggressive than the current stang.

I love the current stang but I'll be the first to admit it looks like a toy next to the 05. At the T.O. autoshow, I compared the 05 to the 03 Cobra and let me tell you, appearance wise, I'd take the 05.

That picture at the beginning of the thread makes the 05 look like crap. Just looking at that, I wouldn't buy one.

However, I know how it looks in person. So these comparisons with pics are irrelevant.
Old 8/27/04 | 10:13 AM
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Unfortunately I have not have the pleasure of seeing the 05 Stang in person. So I have to go by what I see in pics. The 04 GT is very aggressive looking whereas I find the 04 base model rather blah. Same goes with the new 05 stang, but for some reason I think ford should have included a hood scoop or at least side scoops. To see the previous model have this as stock items just leaves me wanting more.

Now instead of just saving up for the car I need to save up for after market items. I just priced the rims and I am looking at around $2,000 US + taxes and still need to buy rubber....yes, it is a sickness and doctors have yet to find a cure.
Old 8/27/04 | 10:17 AM
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When I see the new Stang front i can hear it yelling: "I DON'T NEED AERODYNAMICS TO SMOKE YOUR hiney." B)

Some bigger tires in the rear wouldn't hurt though.
Old 8/30/04 | 09:04 AM
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Appearance is completely opinion. I haven't been too impressed with the 2005s as of yet. I have a feeling the aftermarket or a few years of tweaking in the form of an SE will bring a much needed refreshing.
Old 8/30/04 | 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Highlander@August 25, 2004, 6:39 PM
I like the one on the right.
I like them both
Old 8/30/04 | 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Wombert@August 25, 2004, 7:21 PM
anyone noticed that the 05's front fascia looks kind of "sad" all the time compared to the rather "happy" or "evil" looking <05? Or is that just me? :P
I agree and the concept looked really sad though I love the hood and the shorter body
Old 8/30/04 | 04:51 PM
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The 05 does look kind of depressed from certain angles. The GT-R front end looks pretty evil looking though, and you can bet Steeda and Saleen will come out with something along those lines. Hopefully that Roush chop floating around is a fake, because it looks terrible IMO.
Old 8/30/04 | 05:09 PM
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The 05 is a refreshing look. I'm sorry, but the '04 is old.. old look on an ancient chassis.

Different strokes, I guess. I'm not after the wet-soap rounded look that the '04 and all the imports are going after. In order to break up the '04's soft lines, they had to tack on all sorts of cr_pola.

The '05 looks agressive with NOTHING tacked on. Zero. If it had 255/18's it would be the hottest entry-level V8 pony car on the market. Wow, even without the 18's it still is the hottest entry-level V8 pony car on the market.

I guess people today want want WANT.

I know my 6 year old does.
Old 8/30/04 | 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by M1Rifle@August 30, 2004, 7:12 PM
The 05 is a refreshing look. I'm sorry, but the '04 is old.. old look on an ancient chassis.

Different strokes, I guess. I'm not after the wet-soap rounded look that the '04 and all the imports are going after. In order to break up the '04's soft lines, they had to tack on all sorts of cr_pola.

The '05 looks agressive with NOTHING tacked on. Zero. If it had 255/18's it would be the hottest entry-level V8 pony car on the market. Wow, even without the 18's it still is the hottest entry-level V8 pony car on the market.

I guess people today want want WANT.

I know my 6 year old does.
Jeez, you look like you've had practice responding to criticisms of the 05 based on this picture......hummm ( hehe....I've read your posts on the corral forum...doing a great job but some people are :bang: ) )
Old 8/30/04 | 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Dan+August 27, 2004, 9:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dan @ August 27, 2004, 9:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by jgsmuzzy@August 27, 2004, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by rm2000@August 27, 2004, 11:26 AM
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I would like to see a picture of a blue 05 GT next to a blue 04 GT for a better comparison.

I couldn't find a good front shot of a 2005 Blue GT but here is a comparison V6 against my 2001

The SN-95 looks like a much more aggressive car. I know that the '05 is faster, but it seems a little "dumbed down"
Nope. I've seen the 05 next to the SN-95. No comparison. The 05 is much more aggressive than the current stang.

I love the current stang but I'll be the first to admit it looks like a toy next to the 05. At the T.O. autoshow, I compared the 05 to the 03 Cobra and let me tell you, appearance wise, I'd take the 05.

That picture at the beginning of the thread makes the 05 look like crap. Just looking at that, I wouldn't buy one.

However, I know how it looks in person. So these comparisons with pics are irrelevant. [/b][/quote]
A toy?! You say yourself the '05 looks like crap in that pic. Sorry, but as much as I know you LOVE this car, I think you exaggerated a little too much on this one. They are both sweet cars, but the fact remains that the SN-95 looks much more aggresive. It's true the '05 is bigger but for some reason it looks rather small with the squared front end. Give the '05 the concept's or the GTR's front fascia and then you got an aggresive looking 'stang!
Old 8/30/04 | 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by onetorquedhorse@August 30, 2004, 4:54 PM
The 05 does look kind of depressed from certain angles. The GT-R front end looks pretty evil looking though, and you can bet Steeda and Saleen will come out with something along those lines. Hopefully that Roush chop floating around is a fake, because it looks terrible IMO.
Couldn't agree more...oh and I'm hoping for that Steeda/Saleen thing as well :yes:
Old 8/30/04 | 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by t69r00p69+August 30, 2004, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (t69r00p69 @ August 30, 2004, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Dan@August 27, 2004, 9:48 AM
Originally posted by jgsmuzzy@August 27, 2004, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by rm2000@August 27, 2004, 11:26 AM
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I would like to see a picture of a blue 05 GT next to a blue 04 GT for a better comparison.

I couldn't find a good front shot of a 2005 Blue GT but here is a comparison V6 against my 2001

The SN-95 looks like a much more aggressive car. I know that the '05 is faster, but it seems a little "dumbed down"

Nope. I've seen the 05 next to the SN-95. No comparison. The 05 is much more aggressive than the current stang.

I love the current stang but I'll be the first to admit it looks like a toy next to the 05. At the T.O. autoshow, I compared the 05 to the 03 Cobra and let me tell you, appearance wise, I'd take the 05.

That picture at the beginning of the thread makes the 05 look like crap. Just looking at that, I wouldn't buy one.

However, I know how it looks in person. So these comparisons with pics are irrelevant.
A toy?! You say yourself the '05 looks like crap in that pic. Sorry, but as much as I know you LOVE this car, I think you exaggerated a little too much on this one. They are both sweet cars, but the fact remains that the SN-95 looks much more aggresive. It's true the '05 is bigger but for some reason it looks rather small with the squared front end. Give the '05 the concept's or the GTR's front fascia and then you got an aggresive looking 'stang! [/b][/quote]
Okay, let me try to explain. This pic makes the 05 look like crap. I'd take the SN-95 anyday looking at that.

My point is, the picture doesn't do the new car justice and since I've seen it twice in person (next to SN-95's) I know it looks a lot better than the pic shows.

The other thing is that I am definately not a "blind supporter". My opinion is very objective. Being a SN-95 lover myself (especially the Mach 1 and Cobra) I would be the first to point it out if the new car didn't look as good as the old ones. Heck, I'd probably go and buy one of the two I just mentioned.

But my opinion is that the new car looks much nicer proportionally and stylistically than the current cars.

As far as which front end looks more aggressive.....go check out the new stang in person. The front end is absolutely amazing. The depth of the features is lost in pics. The SN-95 front end tapers almost to a point. Versus the shark nose and forward leaning grille of the 05, it just more subdued IMO.

Now, the "toy" comment was in reference to a comment made during a previous thread on the subject (pic of 05 and SN-95 in a person's driveway). In the side shot of the current car vs. the new car, the 05 appears much larger due to its boxier design. The overall car, even though almost dimensionally equivalent, appears quite a bit larger than the current car.

Here are the pics I was refering to:



And I think its fair to say that the 05 with its longer wheelbase adds to that larger look. The short(er) wheelbase of the current car isn't as nice asthetically.

Side shots:



To be fairly blunt, after seeing this car, no one could convince me that the current stang (appart from maybe the Cobra R which I've never seen in person) looks more aggressive than the 05. It just doesn't. But again, that's just my personal opinion.

I think the current mustang looks better than 95% of all cars on the road and there is no doubt it looks aggressive. However, next to the 05 (which I've had a chance to compare twice) it looses a bit of its appeal from a stylistic point of view.
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Here are your mustang front ends:






Cobra R comes the closest IMO.


But my vote still goes to the 05.
Old 8/31/04 | 06:22 AM
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Dan,

I totally agree with you, the one thing with the '05 is it is not photogenic. The car looks much more stunning in person. What is lost is the depth of the grille and the "shark nose" effect for the car.

It is almost unfair to compare the ultra-rare Cobra R to a run of the mill GT. I can't wait until the next Cobra comes out. Then we can compare which car looks more aggressive. Just as our photoshop gurus have shown, '06 Cobra and variants have the potential to be even more spectacular.
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OK, OK, I stand corrected......The Titanium one does look pretty aggressive!

It must just be that the "Flat" colours do not show off as well as the metallics.

Old 8/31/04 | 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by jgsmuzzy@August 31, 2004, 8:43 AM
OK, OK, I stand corrected......The Titanium one does look pretty aggressive!

It must just be that the "Flat" colours do not show off as well as the metallics.

That could very well be the case (haven't had a chance to compare). But overall, like steve said, this car doesn't seem to photograph well. It amazes me just how much better it looks in person. There are a lot of people who haven't seen it who will be quite surprised at what an amazing car they bought/are going to buy.
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The first couple of pics are understandable...it shows the '94-'98 bodystyle, which to me has a more smooth and sleek look like the '05 (backing up your theory of it looking "nicer proportionally and stylistically than the current cars"). The '99 - '04 however, due to their stance and sharp edges give it that more "aggresive" or "muscle car" look to me personally.

Why do you suppose the '05 doesn't take pictures well? I believe that because in CERTAIN ANGLES, the front in particular, this car looks depressed and rather bland looking. You don't get to see this when your in person walking around the car (not focusing on a single portion or angle), but a picture is worth a thousand words so they say.

But anyway, from one non-blind supporter to another, I can agree to disagree


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