Well now it wont even start.
4/30/12, 08:26 PM
#1
V6 Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: April 28, 2012
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well now it wont even start.
Had troubles with some intake backfiring and trying to trouble shoot to solve the problem but now it won't fire.
Here's some background it's a complete rebuild new cam new intake upper and lower new rockers, motor mounts the list just goes on and on. Basically everything but different heads, pistons rods and crank. Wouldn't run without intake backfiring, although it would go away during higher RPMs. After alot of troubleshooting it won't start. Checked all timing firing order compression pretty much everything. Kinda thinking maybe ignition module, any thoughts?
Here's some background it's a complete rebuild new cam new intake upper and lower new rockers, motor mounts the list just goes on and on. Basically everything but different heads, pistons rods and crank. Wouldn't run without intake backfiring, although it would go away during higher RPMs. After alot of troubleshooting it won't start. Checked all timing firing order compression pretty much everything. Kinda thinking maybe ignition module, any thoughts?
5/1/12, 11:09 AM
#2
Legacy TMS Member
who did the engine work for you? Was the cam installed correctly? Pull a plug and see if your getting spark. Bring number one piston up on compression stroke and see where your timing marks are located.
5/1/12, 01:30 PM
#4
Bullitt Member
Join Date: September 21, 2011
Location: Hooligan Alley
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ok let's run threw some stuff.
Does the motor Turn over at all?
I am thinking a few things. Dead battery, Bad starter Solenoid, Bad starter, Broken Gear on the Distributor. I had that happen to me and couldn't start the car. It would just turn over.
Does the motor Turn over at all?
I am thinking a few things. Dead battery, Bad starter Solenoid, Bad starter, Broken Gear on the Distributor. I had that happen to me and couldn't start the car. It would just turn over.
5/1/12, 01:33 PM
#5
A Man Just Needs Some....
It has to be a timing/firing order issue. Possible timing chain off a tooth also. What cam? What heads? Get a compression check done also.
Last edited by AlsCobra; 5/1/12 at 01:34 PM.
5/1/12, 02:29 PM
#6
V6 Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: April 28, 2012
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Compression check was done all was good. Battery is good it turns over just doesn't fire. Looking into all three necessities of a car firing but all was well just a few days ago but now won't start. Stock heads. Crane cam part number 444211. And when it was started it had some popping in the intake.
5/1/12, 02:35 PM
#7
A Man Just Needs Some....
Originally Posted by cszentes
Compression check was done all was good. Battery is good it turns over just doesn't fire. Looking into all three necessities of a car firing but all was well just a few days ago but now won't start. Stock heads. Crane cam part number 444211. And when it was started it had some popping in the intake.
5/1/12, 07:33 PM
#8
Legacy TMS Member
I agreen, electronic ignition module. Thingy on the side of the distributor. Fails so much, they make a special little tool to get it off the distributor. Handly little 4mm wrench, when you need it.
Assuming I'm remembering the way things are right. Looks to be an 87 through 93 model, which those 5.0s I want to say had the EIM on the distributor... quick google search seems to agree.
That's what happened to me one day in the SVO. Went to get a part for the Muskrat, and the SVO died in the parking lot. That was the the problem, the module. Replaced it, fired right on up.
Assuming I'm remembering the way things are right. Looks to be an 87 through 93 model, which those 5.0s I want to say had the EIM on the distributor... quick google search seems to agree.
That's what happened to me one day in the SVO. Went to get a part for the Muskrat, and the SVO died in the parking lot. That was the the problem, the module. Replaced it, fired right on up.
5/2/12, 07:01 AM
#9
Cobra R Member
Join Date: December 11, 2011
Location: Mass
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
did you go through post #2 in tech?
https://themustangsource.com/f634/te...os-fox-503775/
I'm coming back into my post. read the tech info or print it and bring it to him but I would also restab the dizzy, go over the firing order and try again. I'm getting a feeling the dizzy could be off or is suspect but we need to get to some basics.
https://themustangsource.com/f634/te...os-fox-503775/
I'm coming back into my post. read the tech info or print it and bring it to him but I would also restab the dizzy, go over the firing order and try again. I'm getting a feeling the dizzy could be off or is suspect but we need to get to some basics.
Last edited by skunk21; 5/2/12 at 07:21 AM.
5/2/12, 07:54 AM
#10
V6 Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: April 28, 2012
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I forwarded him a copy of the entire tech that you posted (Thanks very helpful) he's going through everything and taking the ignition mod into get it checked first thing today. He tried to see if the dizzy was off by a tooth but didn't help any at all.
5/3/12, 12:07 PM
#19
Cobra R Member
Join Date: December 11, 2011
Location: Mass
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If after all this and it still is popping and not running right then either pull the timing cover and make darn sure the timing marks are correct or test the coil and verify the spark strength. I'm getting baffled. I'm not knocking the guy but the marks can move.
5/4/12, 08:43 AM
#20
Legacy TMS Member
Is it running at all now? I think we need a status update on what it's currently doing, and what has been done, and what hasn't.
If it's not running at all... Did anyone suggest the fuel cutoff relay? 'Cause I don't see it... I'm sure that's not it, but... Or maybe the fuel filter or the fuel regulator...?
Naw... surely I'm being silly for questioning these...
If it's not running at all... Did anyone suggest the fuel cutoff relay? 'Cause I don't see it... I'm sure that's not it, but... Or maybe the fuel filter or the fuel regulator...?
Naw... surely I'm being silly for questioning these...
Last edited by houtex; 5/4/12 at 08:44 AM.