The day we all thought would come
Originally posted by bnickel@September 15, 2004, 5:40 PM
i'm wondering on the issue of titling the car, if these would be considered kit cars or "reproduction chassis" they sell new frames for just about anything that originally came with one and replacing a bad unibody could be considered the same thing as replacing a bad frame if you were to get technical. i guess it would depend on if you were actually replacing a damaged unibody or building a "new" car from the shell. any other ideas?
i'm wondering on the issue of titling the car, if these would be considered kit cars or "reproduction chassis" they sell new frames for just about anything that originally came with one and replacing a bad unibody could be considered the same thing as replacing a bad frame if you were to get technical. i guess it would depend on if you were actually replacing a damaged unibody or building a "new" car from the shell. any other ideas?
I've also heard that one could effectively "re-badge" by cutting the old VIN from an original car. I have mixed feelings as the potential for fraud rears it's ugly head. Personally, I don't think a roof, a firewall, or a stretch of inner fender contains the soul of a car. (legally speaking anyway) I see nothing wrong with using a patch of 4"x2" steel cut from a junker or parts car and applying it to a new body as long as it will not be misrepresented in the future. Heck, I would imagine that in most cases, a car being built from an entirely new and fresh unibody would be a good selling point and potentially add value, especially for a modified car.
I wonder if some difficult-to-hide differences will be obvious in the construction or stamping of the new bodies? Betcha a dollar there are. B)
Actually I believe the Hot Rod article stated that the Camaro body would be without the front clip, although the body on the cover had a front clip.
As far as titling goes, I'm not familiar with it but I would guess that they would be titled like any reproduction car like a fiberglass '32 Ford or a Cobra kit car. I'm sure there will be some people that will use these to re-body (I'm not condoning this, BTW) an original car and use it's title also. That's is Dynacorn doesn't get approval to put VIN's on the body's from the start.
As far as titling goes, I'm not familiar with it but I would guess that they would be titled like any reproduction car like a fiberglass '32 Ford or a Cobra kit car. I'm sure there will be some people that will use these to re-body (I'm not condoning this, BTW) an original car and use it's title also. That's is Dynacorn doesn't get approval to put VIN's on the body's from the start.
couldn't you use the VIN from an orginal car if you use the engine/trans from a parts car? cuz from what i understand these replicas are just bodies, no int, drivetrain, etc
They also state in their literature that the shells will be DOT certified for weld/build quality which is interesting. I can tell you from the Cobra replicar end (turnkey minus from SA) that it is getting VERY difficult to get these things through since you must go past safety inspection which is a thick book that every Joe at the DMV has a different interpretation of and/or grasp. It is insanity.
I feel the only way you would pull this off is to chop a dismantled VIN into the car or put a false door tag on and register it as an original (it's fraud but the only easy way to get it on the road).
If the company issues an MSO as a 2004/5 etc. you are gonna get hauled in for emmisions too ... this is gonna be really tricky.
I feel the only way you would pull this off is to chop a dismantled VIN into the car or put a false door tag on and register it as an original (it's fraud but the only easy way to get it on the road).
If the company issues an MSO as a 2004/5 etc. you are gonna get hauled in for emmisions too ... this is gonna be really tricky.
Originally posted by Bravenrace@September 16, 2004, 5:58 AM
Actually I believe the Hot Rod article stated that the Camaro body would be without the front clip, although the body on the cover had a front clip.
Actually I believe the Hot Rod article stated that the Camaro body would be without the front clip, although the body on the cover had a front clip.
Originally posted by future9er24@September 16, 2004, 8:03 PM
couldn't you use the VIN from an orginal car if you use the engine/trans from a parts car? cuz from what i understand these replicas are just bodies, no int, drivetrain, etc
couldn't you use the VIN from an orginal car if you use the engine/trans from a parts car? cuz from what i understand these replicas are just bodies, no int, drivetrain, etc
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couldn't you use the VIN from an orginal car if you use the engine/trans from a parts car? cuz from what i understand these replicas are just bodies, no int, drivetrain, etc
couldn't you use the VIN from an orginal car if you use the engine/trans from a parts car? cuz from what i understand these replicas are just bodies, no int, drivetrain, etc
Yeah, but installing a reproduction part (in this case it's a big part) isn't.
For instance, say your driver's inner fender panel that contains the VIN needs to be replaced. It's not illegal to replace it with a new panel.
What would be wrong with replacing the parts around that VIN. We're really just talking about a roof and firewall here. Every other part of the assembly is already available as a reproduction part.
that was kind of my point, if it is considered a reproduction part (very larger part) then there may not be any kind of legal issues. but switching a vin from one car that was assigned a factory vin and titled with that vin to another car that was assigned and titled under a different vin is illegal. like blake said you can alreday pretty much tear a car down to the firewall and roof and replace it with repro components anyway this way you are just replacing the roof and firewall as well and it is alreadyassembled for you. i don't see that as particularly big deal if the condition of the original car warrants such a change.
All potential legal issues aside, I see it as a much better idea then say having a potential body with a whole nose section grafted on (like project fast forward) and maybe even a driver door from another, leaving say up to 3 vin numbers on a car and the dilema of which one is correct not to mention it all actually being legal I guess. All I know is so long as an honest person pointed it out before I bought it like I would expect on a fake GT, shelby or T code turned V8, then it's all good I guess, but the sad fact remains that some people will take advantage of something like this even if there is a way to stamp the body with some type of code. Worse has and always will happen.
Originally posted by BLAKE@September 17, 2004, 3:35 PM
Yeah, but installing a reproduction part (in this case it's a big part) isn't.
For instance, say your driver's inner fender panel that contains the VIN needs to be replaced. It's not illegal to replace it with a new panel.
What would be wrong with replacing the parts around that VIN. We're really just talking about a roof and firewall here. Every other part of the assembly is already available as a reproduction part.
Yeah, but installing a reproduction part (in this case it's a big part) isn't.
For instance, say your driver's inner fender panel that contains the VIN needs to be replaced. It's not illegal to replace it with a new panel.
What would be wrong with replacing the parts around that VIN. We're really just talking about a roof and firewall here. Every other part of the assembly is already available as a reproduction part.
Blake, I'm gonna smack you.
If you replace the driver side apron you SHOULD cut out the original VIN and graft it into the new panel. The big problem with the VIN issue is, as pakrat said, people swapping VINs from desirable cars onto plain janes then passing them off as something they're not or were not anyway. I, personally, don't think ANY VIN should ever be swapped from one car to another regardless. As far as these reproduction bodies go, IMO, they should be dealt with the same as a kit car and have the state inspect and issue their VIN.
I just hope this company looked into how the VIN's will be handled. I would think they must have and I would think it must be like buying a kit car. (however those are handled)
I would be very interested in buying one of these but I never even saw it mentioned on their site that the Ford 67-68 Fastback was next. A nice rust free, never been mangled body would be great. I could then finish it off the way I want.
I guess we'll see if anything ever comes from this with this company.
I would be very interested in buying one of these but I never even saw it mentioned on their site that the Ford 67-68 Fastback was next. A nice rust free, never been mangled body would be great. I could then finish it off the way I want.
I guess we'll see if anything ever comes from this with this company.
Blasphemy :stubborn:
I would not drive a Mustang replica manufactured by a company named "Dynacorn".... the name sounds like a potent laxative or some kind of foot treatment.
Everett-Morrison perhaps.... but wtf name is Dynacorn?
I would not drive a Mustang replica manufactured by a company named "Dynacorn".... the name sounds like a potent laxative or some kind of foot treatment.
Everett-Morrison perhaps.... but wtf name is Dynacorn?
Originally posted by Rainman@September 30, 2004, 9:05 AM
Blasphemy :stubborn:
I would not drive a Mustang replica manufactured by a company named "Dynacorn".... the name sounds like a potent laxative or some kind of foot treatment.
Everett-Morrison perhaps.... but wtf name is Dynacorn?
Blasphemy :stubborn:
I would not drive a Mustang replica manufactured by a company named "Dynacorn".... the name sounds like a potent laxative or some kind of foot treatment.
Everett-Morrison perhaps.... but wtf name is Dynacorn?
Originally posted by Rainman@September 30, 2004, 10:05 AM
Blasphemy :stubborn:
I would not drive a Mustang replica manufactured by a company named "Dynacorn".... the name sounds like a potent laxative or some kind of foot treatment.
Everett-Morrison perhaps.... but wtf name is Dynacorn?
Blasphemy :stubborn:
I would not drive a Mustang replica manufactured by a company named "Dynacorn".... the name sounds like a potent laxative or some kind of foot treatment.
Everett-Morrison perhaps.... but wtf name is Dynacorn?
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