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These are my street tires. I run 305 square with 19x11 all four corners. I should note that when I do run with track setup I run with 23mm slip on spacers and 2.0 deg camber up front. Street setup I just have the 3mm spacer with 1.4 deg camber The 1.4 degrees also helps with the removal of tramlining.

 

Thank you 05

 

I do not use PS4s as a track tire. and I do agree they do get a little greasy when you get them track hot. I buy used race tires from these guys https://gttrackdays.com/ I should note that if you go this route to go with a 18" dia rim because the prices and avil. are much better.
With that said I do run the PS4s as a wet track tire and they are great

 

I'm kinda surprised by the no tramlining thing ... are the roads where you live nice and flat and smooth, no ruts or irregularities?

 

Just SoCal freeways. Please understand that the toe and camber setup are not done by a std alignment shop. I have caster/camber plates I do my own camber and toe alignments and if I ever get lost on what I am doing I have it done by a shop that understands suspensions better then I do(which isnt hard).

 

What kind of setup do you have? I tried doing my own with strings but found it very difficult to get everything lined up correctly .... and yeah I kinda got lost, LOL

 

Let me see if i can explain. Every year I have a four wheel alignment done by a small little shop named Chewerks Alignment in La Harbra to make sure I am where I say i am. The street set up I run it Front: 1.4 Degrees Camber, 7.2 degrees caster with 0 toe.oh and I have a set of Maximum Motorsports Caster/Camber Plates. Rear: I run 1.9 degrees camber with .10 degrees toe. Once that is over I will use a modified string and level method of setting up "track mode" Now dont laugh at my set up it works for me. I install my set of track wheels and tires then I put the car on a full set of Vevor car dollies and move the car into position. I have marked a center line down the bottom of the car and use a plum bob to transfer that line to the garage floor. I mark the floor with painters tape and pin the centerline of the car. once that has been set I tape the plumb bob to the bumper and mark the floor to make sure the car doesnt move without my knowing it. I use a very old Vevor QuickTrick toe Alignment tool and a digital level.Once installed I verify that the camber and toe are where they should be and then I start with the Camber by loosing the camber bolts at the camber plates, (I do have the 1.4 and 2 degree pre marked on the plate. Then I adjust the toe back to 0 drgrees. then recheck and readjust them both til I get it right. I do check the rear and I so far I have not had it move unless I have done something to it, like change a component, The rear is the pain in the butt. I do have a difficult time with the rear. The toe isnt bad but I seam to have a hard time getting the camber up to 1.9-2.0. So I dont like to touch it. Anyway that is how I do it and I go back and fourth on a avg. of 4 times a rear. Something to note. In most cases if you have excessive inner tire wear it is most likely caused by the toe not the camber. Also note that this set up is for track like Cal Speedway. on tighter tracks I will use a 2.2- 2.3 degree camber but still go with 0 on the toe. and I also like the rear to kick out a tiny bit on the exit of turns. So this works for me and only me. On the Street I like the car to be very well behaved and predictable. Now for the legal crap...I do not know what the factory set up is anymore and I dont care. This works for me. So dont think I am saying that you need or should use these figures on your ride.

 

I think it's awesome that you have gained enough knowledge and have been able to do what you do to yours, you're a great wealth of knowledge on this site.

I will probably never track mine. But with the same tire setup, I guess your roads are better than the south, because mine "hunts" constantly, but so do my Grand Cherokee and explorers with skinny tires

 

thank you so much. I guess you can say I am old. and I do have a history, so if you ever have a question please lust let me know

 

Thanks for taking the time to write that up -- I follow most of it, and probably will try it again someday. I think my first mistake was not starting with a good shop alignment, so I didn't have a good clean starting point to work from. And need some good lines on the floor and gages like you suggested.

 

ok I hate to admit it but I did experienced some tramlining today. So I am not immune to the condition.

 

I think some tramlining is unavoidable with those wide sticky tires .... the better they stick to the road, the more the road can push back ... I think I read somewhere that the solid center rib contributes to it; but it also contributes to crisp handling so it's a trade-off

 

Dayum! Nothing like good grip. I have same setup coming on my new ride next week but with cup2's.

How do you like them so far?

 

Many time we will do something to our cars and say we like it because we dont want to admit a bad decision. However this is not one of those. I really like the setup. and the tramlining I do get is very min. The cost for this setup with install (tires only) was about 2k for the 305/315 setup as compared to about 1800 with the 285/305 old setup.

 

What did you get Darren?

 

I ordered a staggered set of cup2's but there just so happens to be a '23 Mach 1 attached to them. I have never run anything bigger than a 285 on the front of any of my cars so having 305/30/19's up front should be interesting. 315/30/19 on the rear.

My mach is loaded with handling package with some adjustability. I do plan some occasional weekend warrior fun at the track so that's where the cup2's will shine. Daily driving...will see

 

Darren, if you do experience excessive tramlining and have not lowered your car have the toe checked. in any case, please let us know how you like that set up