Changed my mind. Forget I said anything, move along...

 

I think you spelled role incorrectly.

My spelling is B, A, N

**** phone....

 

So that's how you role, huh?

 

Me and my wife got our focus on the same day. My focus is a ST and hers is a SE. If you liked the SE you will love the ST. Go test drive one. Its hard to explain but the ST has the power of a V6 and the handling of a hot hatch.

 

I thought about an ST but the Mustang was cheaper.

I almost ended up with a Fiesta ST instead of the Mustang. A guy over on one of the Focus forums got one and with a few mods has made it VERY quick....although still not quite as fast as my Mustang in a straight line.

I'd be pretty happy in either of the ST's, to be honest.

 

That's how I roll in my role

 

I live with an Ecoboost in my 2013 Fusion and I know what it's capabilities and shortcomings are. There's no perfect engine for the Mustang because perfection is different for everyone! I want the Eco Mustang because I know once broken in I'll get good MPG and power is just fine of my needs. I feel the slight weight loss over the 6 or 8 is probably going to translate into better handlng and it would seem the tests I've read so far prove this out.

 

These are not the Mustangs you're looking for.

 

Hahaha

 

You can lead a donkey to water, but you can't force it to drink. This mentality that floats in the back of my mind, constantly reminding myself while reading a lot of the bantering back and forth! Yes - This is a forum, a place where people can express their thoughts and opinions. BUT - enough is enough. It's so hard to enjoy reading through a thread when everyone just blasts one another. I mean.... if you don't like it, don't buy it. Who really cares, right? its not hurting you... Ford has a direction they want to head in and they are going to get there (hopefully)

The EB mustang is not for me. But, it will fit the needs and wants for millions around the globe. Yes - True, while it really is a let down that ford is stripping the V6 from a lot of upgrade packages, but again. who cares? a lot of people buy their cars base or loaded with packages and will still rip out A LOT of good working components and swap them for aftermarket.... so really.... the V6 will do really well for the enthusiast that is looking to have a NA engine (that can't afford the GT)

I too, also looked at the focus ST and built it how I liked it, here in Canada, it was well over 34k sorry - so not worth it for that kind of money

This is my first ever rear wheel drive car ( and SRA setup ) I personally and super impressed on how this mustang rides and feels on the road. Mind you. I'm not ripping it around corners and racing it and such, but this car as it is, is solid on the road. Love every moment of it!

 

A car forum is where car enthusiasts talk about cars. They are going to express their points of view both in the positive and the negative. That is what real car enthusiasts do. If you just want a forum where everyone is happy, has nothing but praise for everything and its sunshine and rainbows all the time I submit that you don't really get what a forum is about. For me this not about bashing other people. Some people take it personally when someone says "Hey I don't like this or that about this car." I don't know why they take it personally but they do. It's not their fault that I don't like the front end of the 2015 for instance. That's just how I feel about it. I am certainly not the only person on this forum that feels that way and I am fully aware that others really like the 2015. Good for them. I don't hold it against them.

I personally couldn't care less about what direction Ford wants to go. I don't work for Ford, don't own Ford stock and don't have the slightest interest in their "direction". I know that I don't like their new car and that's all that matters to me and that's what I'm going to talk about among other things around here. If you can't accept that than may I suggest you take a dose of your own advice and "if you don't like it, don't read it."

 

 

I'm quoting you on only what I care to comment on. I would like for you to show me where anyone at any point on any thread has ever said we should praise for everything and its sunshine and rainbows all the time. I too AGREE that forum is about constructive criticism or negative criticism and for others to look for support and feedback from one another.

But at what point does one say - Enough is enough? when does one say - I'm tired of constantly arguing over the same thing over and over again to the point where it becomes null and void?

You don't know why people take it so personally? its because you have your own point of views and it just appears to me like what others say doesn't matter because what you think is gold. Think about it and if you don't see it, read through the thread again. Everyone has a valid point on the topic. To me, it appears as if what you say is the only thing that count and that is NOT what a forum is all about.

I really don't care to argue with you or anyone else. This is a forum but even is the moderators are stepping in and saying ENOUGH. That has to mean that what I've said (and others) is justified.

 

LOL I know... I joined in on the fun just before the mustang got IRS!

 

The moderators stepped in when someone decided to call other posters "children" and the back and forth sort of started from there.

With respect to your point of view about "enough is enough" the solution is simple. If you've had enough, quit reading the thread. If it bothers you that the same thing gets talked about over and over again you're in for disappointment. This is a Mustang forum, we talk about Mustangs, over and over again. How many times have we seen a CAI thread? I've lost count. It's not like there is some unlimited pool of topics when it comes to the Mustang in general. Then you break that down into specific year models on a forum and you have even less of a span of topics. So yes the same thing is going to get discussed multiple times from various different perspectives. There's nothing wrong with that and it's all part of being a car enthusiast. I'm betting that if we were discussing thread after thread about how fantastic the 2015 Mustang is you wouldn't be on that thread saying "Come on guys, enough is enough with all the praise."

 

 

Ahh...the golden times. I remember it like it was today.

 

you sure about that..

 

Since the 2.0 and 2.3 Ecoboost are very similar engines, we can compare what tuners do for them and expect similar percentage gains for the 2.3. Lets look at those compared to 3.7 V6 gains from just a tune:

Average stock dyno numbers for Focus ST (2.0 Ecoboost): 231hp/276tq
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/s...d.php?t=297467

SCT stock: 230hp/279tq
SCT Tune only: 253hp/324tq
Gain: 23hp/45tq
Percent gain: 10%/16.1%
http://www.sctflash.com/Newsletter/F...ation_185F.jpg

Cobb stock: 220hp/277tq
Cobb tune only: 235/318
Gain: 15hp/41tq
Percent gain: 6.81%/14.8%
http://accessecu.com/dyno/graph.php?...rgb2=204000000

3.7 V6 stock: 257hp/243tq
3.7 v6 tune only: 266hp/257tq
Gain: 9hp/14tq
Percent gain: 3.50%/5.76%

2015 2.3 Ecoboost Auto Trans Dyno from Motor Trend:
279hp/295tq
https://www.facebook.com/StingerPerf...type=1&theater

If we assume tuners will be able to get the same percent gains from the 2.3 Ecoboost as they do the 2.0 Ecoboost, the 2.3 should end up with a tune only hp/tq of:
298hp/338tq (Cobb)
307hp/342tq (SCT)

So not only is your claim that there isn't a "shred of evidence" that the 2.3 Ecoboost is going to pick up a lot of power with a tune (nearly 3x the gains of the v6), it also makes more power to the wheels than the V6 (+20hp/+50tq) in stock form. This means the power gap between the two engines is only going to get larger once a tune is added.

Then, since you claim "the notion that putting a tune on a stock engine without changing any physical component of the engine is going to turn it into some sort of raging beast is laughable. In the history of tuning stock engines it has never been done nor will it ever be", lets take a look at another Ecoboost engine that proves you wrong again:

Full-Race dyno on Ecoboost F150:
Stock: 320hp/350tq
Tune Only: 347hp/421tq
Gains: +125wtq/+70whp @3000rpm and +75wtq/+60whp @4000rpm
http://www.full-race.com/img/article...tockvstune.jpg

If you don't think a gain of 70hp and 125tq at the wheels won't change something into a "raging beast" then you're delusional. So it's "never been done and never will be" according to you.

 

Nailed it!