What Happens When You Run 87 in the Ecoboost.
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Have the 2015 V6 performance numbers been released? Comparing '14 V6 numbers vs '15 EcoBoost numbers doesn't do any good because at lot have changed, gearing, weight gain, etc… So the EcoBoost may not look too impressive vs 2014 V6 but it might against the 2015.
I see both side of the argument. I was expecting a little more from the EcoBoost in terms of performance (we all know real world MPG numbers for EcoBoost is BS) but at same time I don't think is a terrible choice by Ford.
I see both side of the argument. I was expecting a little more from the EcoBoost in terms of performance (we all know real world MPG numbers for EcoBoost is BS) but at same time I don't think is a terrible choice by Ford.
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A fair point and no thus far we have yet to see the performance numbers on the 2015 V6. But it would really not speak well for Ford if the 2015 V6 with the same engine had a noticeable performance drop. There's no reason it shouldn't be right about the same performance level as the 2014 car unless Ford went out of its way to make it worse.
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the Ecoboost is simply better then the V6.. The Ecoboost is going to have two main groups of customers. The first is the daily driver fuel economy type who only cares about mpg. The second group will be the performance nuts focused on the lighter four banger over the V8.
A simply fact that the V6 people are over looking is that the 3.7 vs 2.3 stock to stock is about the same performance. However.... The 3.7 vs the 2.3 with a tune is going to be night and freaking day. The EB2.3 will spank the 3.7 with a tune like crazy.
So the hypermiling mpg nuts are going to be happy and the auto cross boost junkies are going to be happy. Something the V6 is not offering either way.
FYI.. I love how the V6 guys are already cracking on the EB guys already.. If memory serves me right I called that would happen. The V6 guys that cried when the big mean V8 guys teased them now have a little motor to pick on and are jumping on it before they even hit the dealers.
A simply fact that the V6 people are over looking is that the 3.7 vs 2.3 stock to stock is about the same performance. However.... The 3.7 vs the 2.3 with a tune is going to be night and freaking day. The EB2.3 will spank the 3.7 with a tune like crazy.
So the hypermiling mpg nuts are going to be happy and the auto cross boost junkies are going to be happy. Something the V6 is not offering either way.
FYI.. I love how the V6 guys are already cracking on the EB guys already.. If memory serves me right I called that would happen. The V6 guys that cried when the big mean V8 guys teased them now have a little motor to pick on and are jumping on it before they even hit the dealers.
This is funny coming from a focus owner, How about looking at the price comparison between a v6 premium and an eco- premium stock to stock comparison(Performance, price, mileage, etc..) I bet you end up keeping your focus.
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I disagree with just about everything you say about the ecoboost, but that may be because I have read a lot about it and understand how it works from an engineering perspective.
I would much rather have the ecoboost dial back power than to self destruct over time from using lower grade fuel (87). And the torque curve on a turbo is much different than a NA engine, and torque is what gets you off the line. Usually when tuning a turbo, they raise the boost instead of leaning out the engine.
Bottom line, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
I would buy one as I know the advantages and the disadvantages of it.
I would much rather have the ecoboost dial back power than to self destruct over time from using lower grade fuel (87). And the torque curve on a turbo is much different than a NA engine, and torque is what gets you off the line. Usually when tuning a turbo, they raise the boost instead of leaning out the engine.
Bottom line, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
I would buy one as I know the advantages and the disadvantages of it.
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A fair point and no thus far we have yet to see the performance numbers on the 2015 V6. But it would really not speak well for Ford if the 2015 V6 with the same engine had a noticeable performance drop. There's no reason it shouldn't be right about the same performance level as the 2014 car unless Ford went out of its way to make it worse.
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Ive honestly never run that **** water 87 in any of my cars! Americans love to buy expensive cars and then run cheep gas and tires, i dont get it lol!! Whatever budy, if you dont care then thats your car but this is why i wont buy used!!!!
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different octanes has nothing to do with the quality of the gas
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To be fair, Ford spends a massive amount of money advertising the Ecoboost. Every F-150 print ad and commercial specifically promotes the Ecoboost but never mentions any other engine. Does the general public even know that the 3.7L or 5.0L is available in the F-150? If so, it's not from any effort on Ford's part.
Earlier today, I told somebody I had the V6 in my F-150. He asked me how I liked the Ecoboost. I told him I didn't have the Ecoboost, I have the base V6. Response: stunned silence. I might as well have told him that I was a bounty hunter from K-Pax looking for Kevin Spacey.
Earlier today, I told somebody I had the V6 in my F-150. He asked me how I liked the Ecoboost. I told him I didn't have the Ecoboost, I have the base V6. Response: stunned silence. I might as well have told him that I was a bounty hunter from K-Pax looking for Kevin Spacey.
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lol my new brakes for my focus cost more then the mods most of you are rocking...
here my other cars I have owned in the past few years...
06 GT vert
07 GT 550 hp whipple kit
08 Shelby GT
09 GT steeda'd out
2010 GT
2011 Fiesta
2012 5.0 401a 3.73 roush'd out
2006 GT vert Saleen SC
I think my car resume has been made clear.. now children..
I have yet to race a V6 that can hang with my 2.0 EB focus. The new 2.3 will spank the V6 and that's just real world and when the V6 hits its roof at 115 mph I will keep going another 30 mph or so. The EB2.3 will do better with a tune vs the 3.7 because you can simply increase the boost level and duration which leads directly to power.
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Let me get this right. You had an 06 GT vert, then an 07 GT 550 supercharged, then an 08 Shelby GT, then the 09, then a 2010 GT and then after all that you decided to buy an ecoboost Focus?
Buuuuuuuuuuuuushhhhhhttttt
Yeah you know my Mustang is just my daily driver and on the weekends I alternate between my Ferrari F40 and Aston Martin Vanquish.
Aside from the speed governor the Focus ST at best is only as fast as the 3.7 V6 Mustang and its not that hard for a Mustang owner to switch the drive shaft out and turn off the speed governor thus increasing the top speed to the same range is the Focus ST.
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Is it me, or does White2010 have a very similar posting style to 2011konablue? Although I see the latter has taken a temporary vacation. Perhaps White2010 would like to join him
I'm guessing he's sat under a bridge somewhere, with his troll friends.
As for the Ecoboost? Well, I'll prefer to judge the performance based on a seat of the pants evaluation but what I will say is, it sounds pretty amazing. Certainly the best sounding modern 4-cylinder I've heard.
I'm looking forward to what it can do in the forthcoming RS Focus, where it may be tuned for even more power than in the Mustang. Which goes to show what will be possible with this engine.
I'm guessing he's sat under a bridge somewhere, with his troll friends.
As for the Ecoboost? Well, I'll prefer to judge the performance based on a seat of the pants evaluation but what I will say is, it sounds pretty amazing. Certainly the best sounding modern 4-cylinder I've heard.
I'm looking forward to what it can do in the forthcoming RS Focus, where it may be tuned for even more power than in the Mustang. Which goes to show what will be possible with this engine.
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Nice mustangs flagstang, why would you give up those stangs for a focus or have you kept one. Anyhow I have you beat on the number of mustangs I've owned going back to 1985. Eco-boost wouldn't be bad if they put the 2.7 Eco boost 6 that's good for 325 hp and 375 ft lbs of torque. Oh, that's right fuel economy!!!!
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Give Ford a little time, the current small EB's need a bit of polish but the idea has merit and is being executed successfully elsewhere.
Until they stop running into a wall at mid-higher rpm's, they'll just be a half measure. I really wanted to like the FoST after seeing them tear up an autocross, but the power delivery felt uninspired with a manual. Compared to a high compression N/A engine it was narcoleptic, manic, narcoleptic. If low end tq was the end all, the 2016 lineup would include a power stroke option..
Four little words for a sports car:
Area under the curve.
I am sad that the V6 is getting the axe, but Fords foreign targets are going the boost route so I'm not surprised.
Note: that means the coyote and voodoo likely have expiration dates as well..
Until they stop running into a wall at mid-higher rpm's, they'll just be a half measure. I really wanted to like the FoST after seeing them tear up an autocross, but the power delivery felt uninspired with a manual. Compared to a high compression N/A engine it was narcoleptic, manic, narcoleptic. If low end tq was the end all, the 2016 lineup would include a power stroke option..
Four little words for a sports car:
Area under the curve.
I am sad that the V6 is getting the axe, but Fords foreign targets are going the boost route so I'm not surprised.
Note: that means the coyote and voodoo likely have expiration dates as well..
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Please people. Stop throwing hate around at each others face.
If you can't talk like an adult, you'll have to sit at the kids table.
Keep in mind, the Eco4 is the 'new' V6.
It's an entry level Mustang, with a performance pack. Much like previous years with the V6, Prem+performance pack.
It's not an alternative to the GT. If that was the case, it'd be a bigger engine and packing over 400. So if someone was on the fence about the Eco4 or the GT, they really are just comparing getting the V6 or the V8 of all other gens. And there's nothing wrong with it, but don't excpect it be this massive powerhouse. That's not its role. Fun, Affordable remember. I have no doubt the Eco4 will be awesome to drive.
They are also hoping it pulls in the youth that are tied to their 4 bangers. And TURBO 4, sounds better than 'just a 6'
"This thing is TURBO'd!"
It's got a role to fill and I'd be really surprised if the V6 lasts.
Look at the options for it. They don't talk about it, they don't promote it, and they are there for rental and bare bones pricing if you want into a mustang.
With that said,
It's a better starting block. It's already boosted, and once we see it the hands of the aftermarket, I'm sure we'll see some really nice increases.
Rating at higher octane isn't exactly new. Other manufacturer's do this as well.
What you really want to see is WHAT exactly changes. I'm sure someone will do a test and dyno on both to see the differences between the octane changes.
If you can't talk like an adult, you'll have to sit at the kids table.
Keep in mind, the Eco4 is the 'new' V6.
It's an entry level Mustang, with a performance pack. Much like previous years with the V6, Prem+performance pack.
It's not an alternative to the GT. If that was the case, it'd be a bigger engine and packing over 400. So if someone was on the fence about the Eco4 or the GT, they really are just comparing getting the V6 or the V8 of all other gens. And there's nothing wrong with it, but don't excpect it be this massive powerhouse. That's not its role. Fun, Affordable remember. I have no doubt the Eco4 will be awesome to drive.
They are also hoping it pulls in the youth that are tied to their 4 bangers. And TURBO 4, sounds better than 'just a 6'
"This thing is TURBO'd!"
It's got a role to fill and I'd be really surprised if the V6 lasts.
Look at the options for it. They don't talk about it, they don't promote it, and they are there for rental and bare bones pricing if you want into a mustang.
With that said,
It's a better starting block. It's already boosted, and once we see it the hands of the aftermarket, I'm sure we'll see some really nice increases.
Rating at higher octane isn't exactly new. Other manufacturer's do this as well.
What you really want to see is WHAT exactly changes. I'm sure someone will do a test and dyno on both to see the differences between the octane changes.
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Exactly. It wasn't till I saw the full dyno graph that I really saw the benefit of 93 octane in the ST. Sure peak doesn't change much but the amount available before and after peak was VERY different between the octanes.
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Please people. Stop throwing hate around at each others face.
If you can't talk like an adult, you'll have to sit at the kids table.
Keep in mind, the Eco4 is the 'new' V6.
It's an entry level Mustang, with a performance pack. Much like previous years with the V6, Prem+performance pack.
It's not an alternative to the GT. If that was the case, it'd be a bigger engine and packing over 400. So if someone was on the fence about the Eco4 or the GT, they really are just comparing getting the V6 or the V8 of all other gens. And there's nothing wrong with it, but don't excpect it be this massive powerhouse. That's not its roll. Fun, Affordable remember. I have no doubt the Eco4 will be awesome to drive.
They are also hoping it pulls in the youth that are tied to their 4 bangers. And TURBO 4, sounds better than 'just a 6'
"This thing is TURBO'd!"
It's got a roll to fill and I'd be really surprised if the V6 lasts.
Look at the options for it. They don't talk about it, they don't promote it, and they are there for rental and bare bones pricing if you want into a mustang.
With that said,
It's a better starting block. It's already boosted, and once we see it the hands of the aftermarket, I'm sure we'll see some really nice increases.
Rating at higher octane isn't exactly new. Other manufacturer's do this as well.
What you really want to see is WHAT exactly changes. I'm sure someone will do a test and dyno on both to see the differences between the octane changes.
If you can't talk like an adult, you'll have to sit at the kids table.
Keep in mind, the Eco4 is the 'new' V6.
It's an entry level Mustang, with a performance pack. Much like previous years with the V6, Prem+performance pack.
It's not an alternative to the GT. If that was the case, it'd be a bigger engine and packing over 400. So if someone was on the fence about the Eco4 or the GT, they really are just comparing getting the V6 or the V8 of all other gens. And there's nothing wrong with it, but don't excpect it be this massive powerhouse. That's not its roll. Fun, Affordable remember. I have no doubt the Eco4 will be awesome to drive.
They are also hoping it pulls in the youth that are tied to their 4 bangers. And TURBO 4, sounds better than 'just a 6'
"This thing is TURBO'd!"
It's got a roll to fill and I'd be really surprised if the V6 lasts.
Look at the options for it. They don't talk about it, they don't promote it, and they are there for rental and bare bones pricing if you want into a mustang.
With that said,
It's a better starting block. It's already boosted, and once we see it the hands of the aftermarket, I'm sure we'll see some really nice increases.
Rating at higher octane isn't exactly new. Other manufacturer's do this as well.
What you really want to see is WHAT exactly changes. I'm sure someone will do a test and dyno on both to see the differences between the octane changes.
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I've got a coworker who used to be a racer in Great Britain.
He admires my Mustang, but he absolutely drools over the Focus ST. When asked why? His answer is "autocross".
I know nothing about track racing or autocross, but I know he does.
He admires my Mustang, but he absolutely drools over the Focus ST. When asked why? His answer is "autocross".
I know nothing about track racing or autocross, but I know he does.
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The Focus is a fun car to drive, that's for sure. I loved mine (which was just an SE). Wish I got it with a manual, though. It could handle VERY well, much better then my Mustang.
