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Old Mar 23, 2015 | 03:12 PM
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I want my II back. With a Coyote in it.
I would go there again but I'd do it with an LS3 so it fits under the hood. The Coyote is kind of massive.
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Old Mar 23, 2015 | 05:28 PM
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Loving the conversation, guys! Haha.
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Old Mar 23, 2015 | 07:49 PM
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I'm real sure it'd be a fair pain in the patootie to put a Coyote in the II. But I know that a pushrod 5.0 will go in there no problem, so if I ever really did get the time/money to build a II, that's what'd actually happen, to be honest.

But one can dream, right?
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by houtex
I'm real sure it'd be a fair pain in the patootie to put a Coyote in the II. But I know that a pushrod 5.0 will go in there no problem, so if I ever really did get the time/money to build a II, that's what'd actually happen, to be honest.

But one can dream, right?
Didn't Ford make a Cobra 5.0L II for 1978 just before the body changed to the new 1979 Fox? I thought I remembered a II with a 5.0L and T-tops or something. Hmmm.....

Edit: yup, 5.0L in the 1978 Mach 1, Cobra II, and King Cobra. 140 HP...blah!

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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by wildsailor
Didn't Ford make a Cobra 5.0L II for 1978 just before the body changed to the new 1979 Fox? I thought I remembered a II with a 5.0L and T-tops or something. Hmmm..... Edit: yup, 5.0L in the 1978 Mach 1, Cobra II, and King Cobra. 140 HP...blah!
It was an option for all 78 models. If you swapped the heads / manifold / carb /Cam and took off smog crap it wasn't that bad. Lol.
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Old Mar 28, 2015 | 09:47 PM
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History of the Mustang 4cyl. I did not know that the concept was 4 cyl:


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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 01:53 PM
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Ford's top end GT is going to be a twin turbo V6 making 600+ HP.

I guarantee you this is going to trickle down the model range. The ecoboosts are here to stay, no matter what form they are in (4 cylinder, 6, or 8).

What kinda bugs me is that I bet the Focus RS coming out next year is going to have more power than the current 2015 Mustang Ecoboost.

And lighter too.

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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CriticalmassGT
Ford's top end GT is going to be a twin turbo V6 making 600+ HP.

I guarantee you this is going to trickle down the model range. The ecoboosts are here to stay, no matter what form they are in (4 cylinder, 6, or 8).

What kinda bugs me is that I bet the Focus RS coming out next year is going to have more power than the current 2015 Mustang Ecoboost.

And lighter too.
And costs quite a bit more. They're different animals.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Enfynet
And costs quite a bit more. They're different animals.
400k

But this is the way it goes. They run with new technologies in their top of the line vehicles and it slowly trickles down their model lines over the coming years.

I'm just not sure why Ford didn't use the 2.7l ecoboost from the F-150 in the 2015 Mustang. Obviously retuned and re-worked a bit. Or even the V6 3.5l ecoboost also from the F-150.

I'm not sure what the thinking was behind the 2.3l with numbers so close to the V6 NA. I would have thought something a little closer to the middle of the range between the NA v6 and the V8 would have been a better choice.

I'm glad that the Coyote is still port injected though. I don't think DI engines are perfected yet. The best setup I have seen is DI engines with port fuel injectors to put just enough fuel in to clean the valves. So far anyway.

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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CriticalmassGT
400k

But this is the way it goes. They run with new technologies in their top of the line vehicles and it slowly trickles down their model lines over the coming years.

I'm just not sure why Ford didn't use the 2.7l ecoboost from the F-150 in the 2015 Mustang. Obviously retuned and re-worked a bit. Or even the V6 3.5l ecoboost also from the F-150.

I'm not sure what the thinking was behind the 2.3l with numbers so close to the V6 NA. I would have thought something a little closer to the middle of the range between the NA v6 and the V8 would have been a better choice.

I'm glad that the Coyote is still port injected though. I don't think DI engines are perfected yet. The best setup I have seen is DI engines with port fuel injectors to put just enough fuel in to clean the valves. So far anyway.
The 2.7L GTDi would have been a little more powerful than the 2.3L with less FE but the 3.5L GTDi would have trumped the 5.0L. Ford is either losing a bunch of money on the 2.3L or the 5.0L is making them buckets of money. At $7k for the engine upgrade (it isn't all engine, there are brakes, tires, etc. in the GT package as well) it does not seem logical. I can see $2k or maybe even $3k, but $7k?
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wildsailor
The 2.7L GTDi would have been a little more powerful than the 2.3L with less FE but the 3.5L GTDi would have trumped the 5.0L. Ford is either losing a bunch of money on the 2.3L or the 5.0L is making them buckets of money. At $7k for the engine upgrade (it isn't all engine, there are brakes, tires, etc. in the GT package as well) it does not seem logical. I can see $2k or maybe even $3k, but $7k?
You're assuming the cost difference is based on cost of parts, and not on marketing/supply/demand.
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