LagunaBeach

ALL Ecoboost are encrypted? Have you seen all the 12sec SHO's and 13sec Flex's with only a tune? Only the F150's have encrypted PCM's.

Ali 556

mmmm NO !!!!,

fastlane in TX made more than 90whp gain on 2011 f-150 with only tune and down pipes, see here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfttliA1L9w


Sory but got owned

LagunaBeach

Listen here hot shot, know your facts before you start spewing BS you know nothing about.

1. The F150 PCM is encrypted, that doesn't mean it can't be cracked.
2. Fastlane didn't crack the encryption, it's in inline device that alters the tune AFTER the PCM.
3. If you're going to call someone out that they got "owned", learn how to spell.

This post is the definition of "owned", so suck it! Go back to bed, rookie.

2k7gtcs

The major downfall of the Ecoboost engines for aftermarket tunes is the fuel delivery system for the direct injection. It's not like it is on the Mustang. Some people have added boost a pumps but its not really doing anything. There is no bigger Cobra fuel pump to put in. From what little I understand there is a super high pressure pump or something at the motor for the direct injection. It is limited in size and there is no replacement. There is no current aftermarket part to increase fuel flow at the motor. Until the injector/pump issue is resolved they are limited in what they can do before fuel starvation and knocking.

908ssp

You could always add fuel up stream of the valves. We have been doing that for 20 years.

LagunaBeach

What? And how would that be done on a DI engine with a high pressure pump and dry intake?

2k7gtcs

That high pressure pump is at 800 psi!!!

There is currently no aftermarket replacement for the one used in Fords.

Other cars have aftermarket ones, but as of now none for the Ford Ecoboost.

908ssp

Make it a wet intake. Not something you buy off the shelf but not that hard to do. 20 years ago we added electronic fuel injection to Porsche when we up the boost using primitive boost controllers. The systems were totally self contained did require any interface with the stock system except an added injector port.

bob

NO!

Save the EcoBoost stuff for something appropriate like an SVO Mustang. If anything a next gen Mach should get something cool like a N/A tall deck road-runner 5.8 (which would be around 500hp anyways)

LagunaBeach

I think it would be a lot more complicated than that. Where is this extra fuel coming from? Another fuel pump and associated plumbing with additional injectors? How would you control fuel flow in relation to boost? You make it a wet intake and it disrupts the spray pattern of the factory injectors that is coming in at 2150psi. It might not seem that big of a deal but modern engines rely heavily on things like that for maximum performance.

Someone will come out with an upgraded DI fuel pump and injectors eventually, so all that won't be necessary. There are SHO's solidly in the 12's with the factory fuel system which is about 450HP. Nobody really knows the weak link in those engines/drivetrain but I'm sure it will be found soon enough. There is a psychical power limit with them and I think the current fuel system is sized correctly in relation to the rest of the parts.

Overboost

From my experiences with the DI tuning (2.3 DISI turbo in a Mazdaspeed6), there are a lot of factors that people are still learning about in tuning them. People tried everything, from methanol injection, tuning, intake/turbo setups, but it seemed like the CDFP and stock fuel system had problems around 425hp. Things started to fail, like injector seals. As they dug deeper in the ECU, they found other load/fuel tables that would create a theoretical "max" sum value that couldn't be exceeded by some complex algorithm. They found that the injector pulse width couldn't be modified, at least initially.

Trust me, there's more to go with the DI turbo motors, but for now, let's keep them out of the Mustang until they really understand them. If they choose to bring the SVO back, I'm all for a nod back to the old car, but don't get too carried away. A 310-325hp I4 turbo would be a wicked little motor in a 3200 lb. car. Wishful thinking, but not impossible.

Moosetang

I'm sorry, but I can't get behind the idea of keeping the EB motors out of the Mustang because they're harder to mod. There's a 5.0 and soon a 5.8 to mod, buy those. People who aren't great mechanics or don't have the scratch to tinker with will love the stock EB.

bob

I'm sure if the EB motors show up in Mustang they will be mod friendly even if the warranty isn't. Ford knows how important the aftermarket is to the Mustang's success.

Topnotch

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...ROIT/120109853

rodriguez256

Wonder which engine? And how that'll affect the 5.0s h.p.?

texastboneking

From what I've been hearing here it's the 4 Banger Turbo. Not the v6. They are soposidly shooting for high mpgs. That's the rumor around here anyways.

lalayla

That's what I heard too. SVO style.

Topnotch

There's a 2.7 EcoBoost V6 coming...maybe to replace the 3.7 base Mustang...has to have at least 350HP to go against the Genesis w/347 now... The 3.7 block is been utilized in many platforms so a reprieve would make sense.

Boomer

Wouldn't be surprised to see the 4. Power and fuel economy for the base vehicle.

Leaves room for the 8s to go wild

Overboost

I wouldn't call it confirmed yet, but heavily hinted at. It doesn't need the same power as the Genesis coupe if it has the weight advantage. Something in the realm of 300hp would be a very quick car if it had 2-300 lbs. less weight. Not to mention, if it is a 4-cylinder, the weight distribution advantages are going to help the car even more.