Whiteline Lowering Springs
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Whiteline Lowering Springs
It looks the Whiteline came out with their own lowering springs.
https://whitelineperformance.com/for...kit-wsk-frd005
I have yet to find any reviews or impressions but what interests me is the lowering heights. The advertised measurements seem 'ideal' compared to other brands.
STEEDA
Sport/Competition: 1"/1.25"
Ultra-Lite: 1.25"/1.5"
EIBACH
Pro: 1"/ 1.5"
Sportline: 1.3"/2.0"
H&R
Sport: 1"/1.6"
Super Sport: 1.7"/2.4"
The Sport/Pro/Ultralite lineups seem not low enough whereas the Sportline/Supersport lineups seem too low. I always thought inbetween 1.5-2.0 (rear) would be perfect.
Whiteline also states that their springs can be used on stock OEM shocks, I speculate these will provide firm yet soft ride experience.
I plan to combine these with Bilstein HD's and hoping to achieve 'just right' suspension synergy. A good sporty ride but without the racetrack-like harshness.
What are your thoughts Stangers?
https://whitelineperformance.com/for...kit-wsk-frd005
I have yet to find any reviews or impressions but what interests me is the lowering heights. The advertised measurements seem 'ideal' compared to other brands.
STEEDA
Sport/Competition: 1"/1.25"
Ultra-Lite: 1.25"/1.5"
EIBACH
Pro: 1"/ 1.5"
Sportline: 1.3"/2.0"
H&R
Sport: 1"/1.6"
Super Sport: 1.7"/2.4"
The Sport/Pro/Ultralite lineups seem not low enough whereas the Sportline/Supersport lineups seem too low. I always thought inbetween 1.5-2.0 (rear) would be perfect.
Whiteline also states that their springs can be used on stock OEM shocks, I speculate these will provide firm yet soft ride experience.
I plan to combine these with Bilstein HD's and hoping to achieve 'just right' suspension synergy. A good sporty ride but without the racetrack-like harshness.
What are your thoughts Stangers?
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Sounds like a good setup. I miss my Bilsteins from my 00 V6 and 03 GT. My bags ride great, but as far as drop in struts and shocks, Bilsteins have been better to me than Koni.
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Sad to say but I might be getting old. I'm on a Coilover setup now and it's starting to feel a little stiff. The road conditions especially freeways here in SoCal are so bad. I need a Lexus lol.
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Not to worry. California just passed a 16 cent gas increase tax bringing it to a 60 cents plus tax on every gallon. They say its to fix the roads. Yea right.
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What are the Whiteline spring rates? Since thy don't require aftermarket dampers I'm guessing they are somewhere between 175-190 lbs front... Do you know? Also, other spring manufactures don't require that you switch dampers, but it's typically a good idea. If you go from a 130lb spring to a 200lb spring the valving in the damper can't control the 35% change in forces properly.
Spring rates make a big difference in harshness. Dampers help too. I do love the performance of my Steeda Sports with Koni Yellows. It can be a bit harsh on rough pavement though.
Spring rates make a big difference in harshness. Dampers help too. I do love the performance of my Steeda Sports with Koni Yellows. It can be a bit harsh on rough pavement though.
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Originally Posted by dusman59
Not to worry. California just passed a 16 cent gas increase tax bringing it to a 60 cents plus tax on every gallon. They say its to fix the roads. Yea right.
Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
What are the Whiteline spring rates? Since thy don't require aftermarket dampers I'm guessing they are somewhere between 175-190 lbs front... Do you know? Also, other spring manufactures don't require that you switch dampers, but it's typically a good idea. If you go from a 130lb spring to a 200lb spring the valving in the damper can't control the 35% change in forces properly.
Spring rates make a big difference in harshness. Dampers help too. I do love the performance of my Steeda Sports with Koni Yellows. It can be a bit harsh on rough pavement though.
Spring rates make a big difference in harshness. Dampers help too. I do love the performance of my Steeda Sports with Koni Yellows. It can be a bit harsh on rough pavement though.
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Originally Posted by dusman59
Not to worry. California just passed a 16 cent gas increase tax bringing it to a 60 cents plus tax on every gallon. They say its to fix the roads. Yea right.
Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
What are the Whiteline spring rates? Since thy don't require aftermarket dampers I'm guessing they are somewhere between 175-190 lbs front... Do you know? Also, other spring manufactures don't require that you switch dampers, but it's typically a good idea. If you go from a 130lb spring to a 200lb spring the valving in the damper can't control the 35% change in forces properly.
Spring rates make a big difference in harshness. Dampers help too. I do love the performance of my Steeda Sports with Koni Yellows. It can be a bit harsh on rough pavement though.
Spring rates make a big difference in harshness. Dampers help too. I do love the performance of my Steeda Sports with Koni Yellows. It can be a bit harsh on rough pavement though.
Originally Posted by laserred38
The harshness of the Konis seemed to never go away unless they were on full soft. I have some heavy duty Konis on my 2005 Escape and my experience is the same as it was on my Mustang. I really wish Bilstein made some dampers for my Escape.
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I had Koni Yellows paired with Steeda Boss 302 springs, and then with H&R Supersport springs. I could never get them adjusted to be comfortable on CA roads. On full soft, the bound was perfect but the rebound always seemed to be jarring, especially on the rear end.
It's not a direct comparison, but I ran Bilstein HDs on my 2000 V6 with Eibach Pro-kit. The bound seemed to always be in perfect harmony with the rebound. Firm, but controlled. Then, on my 2003 GT, I ran Maximum Motorsports Bilstein Sports (specific valving built to MM's specs) with MM's street springs and then eventually had them built into coilovers. Same thing. The ride was never harsh, even when I stiffened up the coilovers.
Other experiences with Bilstein - buddy's 2004 STI with stock Bilsteins and another buddy's 2006 Tacoma with Bilstein HDs. Same story. The ride always feels more controlled and...German...if that makes sense. Which it should, considering they're made in Germany lol
It's not a direct comparison, but I ran Bilstein HDs on my 2000 V6 with Eibach Pro-kit. The bound seemed to always be in perfect harmony with the rebound. Firm, but controlled. Then, on my 2003 GT, I ran Maximum Motorsports Bilstein Sports (specific valving built to MM's specs) with MM's street springs and then eventually had them built into coilovers. Same thing. The ride was never harsh, even when I stiffened up the coilovers.
Other experiences with Bilstein - buddy's 2004 STI with stock Bilsteins and another buddy's 2006 Tacoma with Bilstein HDs. Same story. The ride always feels more controlled and...German...if that makes sense. Which it should, considering they're made in Germany lol
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Laserred38:
Right on with the Bilsteins. No fade and constant dampening even with the desert heat here in AZ. I even have them on my 96Towncar with great results.
Right on with the Bilsteins. No fade and constant dampening even with the desert heat here in AZ. I even have them on my 96Towncar with great results.
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The stock shocks already couldn't deal with the stock springs, let alone stiffer lowering springs. The harshness of the Konis seemed to never go away unless they were on full soft. I have some heavy duty Konis on my 2005 Escape and my experience is the same as it was on my Mustang. I really wish Bilstein made some dampers for my Escape.
Konis are a bit on the stiff side, but god **** do they pay dividends on the track!
Height is more of a matter of preference. In my opinion 1" front and 1.25" rear was all the car needed, so for me the Steeda Sports made sense. It's really preference based though. I like a little wheel gap.
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Is that why the I-5 is always on construction causing all the traffic?? We seriously need more roads down here.
All I know is that these can be mounted on OEM shocks or so they say. I'll probably email for the rates before purchase. But what do you make of the spring heights? They seem rather perfect to me - 35mm/ 45mm.
All I know is that these can be mounted on OEM shocks or so they say. I'll probably email for the rates before purchase. But what do you make of the spring heights? They seem rather perfect to me - 35mm/ 45mm.
One of these years I will try Bilsteins.
Konis are a bit on the stiff side, but god **** do they pay dividends on the track!
If spring rates are not listed calling them is probably a good idea.
Height is more of a matter of preference. In my opinion 1" front and 1.25" rear was all the car needed, so for me the Steeda Sports made sense. It's really preference based though. I like a little wheel gap.
Konis are a bit on the stiff side, but god **** do they pay dividends on the track!
If spring rates are not listed calling them is probably a good idea.
Height is more of a matter of preference. In my opinion 1" front and 1.25" rear was all the car needed, so for me the Steeda Sports made sense. It's really preference based though. I like a little wheel gap.
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Rocky, sometimes it's just trial and error. I've been through 4 suspension setups on my car and am just coming up on its 3 year birthday lol
And the 6th set of wheels are on order. I've only done exhaust once though. But, I am thinking about changing it soon, if only to make it a little quieter so I can actually go WOT without attracting every cop within a 5mi radius!
And the 6th set of wheels are on order. I've only done exhaust once though. But, I am thinking about changing it soon, if only to make it a little quieter so I can actually go WOT without attracting every cop within a 5mi radius!
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Rocky, sometimes it's just trial and error. I've been through 4 suspension setups on my car and am just coming up on its 3 year birthday lol
And the 6th set of wheels are on order. I've only done exhaust once though. But, I am thinking about changing it soon, if only to make it a little quieter so I can actually go WOT without attracting every cop within a 5mi radius!
And the 6th set of wheels are on order. I've only done exhaust once though. But, I am thinking about changing it soon, if only to make it a little quieter so I can actually go WOT without attracting every cop within a 5mi radius!
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I had Koni Yellows paired with Steeda Boss 302 springs, and then with H&R Supersport springs. I could never get them adjusted to be comfortable on CA roads. On full soft, the bound was perfect but the rebound always seemed to be jarring, especially on the rear end.
It's not a direct comparison, but I ran Bilstein HDs on my 2000 V6 with Eibach Pro-kit. The bound seemed to always be in perfect harmony with the rebound. Firm, but controlled. Then, on my 2003 GT, I ran Maximum Motorsports Bilstein Sports (specific valving built to MM's specs) with MM's street springs and then eventually had them built into coilovers. Same thing. The ride was never harsh, even when I stiffened up the coilovers.
Other experiences with Bilstein - buddy's 2004 STI with stock Bilsteins and another buddy's 2006 Tacoma with Bilstein HDs. Same story. The ride always feels more controlled and...German...if that makes sense. Which it should, considering they're made in Germany lol
It's not a direct comparison, but I ran Bilstein HDs on my 2000 V6 with Eibach Pro-kit. The bound seemed to always be in perfect harmony with the rebound. Firm, but controlled. Then, on my 2003 GT, I ran Maximum Motorsports Bilstein Sports (specific valving built to MM's specs) with MM's street springs and then eventually had them built into coilovers. Same thing. The ride was never harsh, even when I stiffened up the coilovers.
Other experiences with Bilstein - buddy's 2004 STI with stock Bilsteins and another buddy's 2006 Tacoma with Bilstein HDs. Same story. The ride always feels more controlled and...German...if that makes sense. Which it should, considering they're made in Germany lol
The reason to ask is the travel distance. More wheel gaps the more travels? A bit confused about this, but can't help but to think they are related besides spring rates.
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Originally Posted by PonyMuscletang13
Thanks for kind input! Must get my hands on these Bilsteins... I'm guessing they will have a good synergy with Maximum Motorsports Camber Plates and Bumpsteer kits?The reason to ask is the travel distance. More wheel gaps the more travels? A bit confused about this, but can't help but to think they are related besides spring rates.
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Patrick, you're definitely not kidding about trial and error after going through 4 suspension setups on your car, then going through 6 different set of wheels on top of that.. All I can say, is you obviously have far more patience and more disposable income to spare than I do that's for sure lol. In the meantime, I'm looking into changing exhausts and debating over either FR500S axle backs or Roush Extreme axle back resonators, as my Magnaflow street exhaust isn't quite loud enough from the outside, but drone at 1500-2000 RPM during highway cruising speeds with the stock catted H still in place.. At any rate, I really don't see myself going through 6 sets of wheels and 4 different suspension setups anytime soon
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Yes they would - in fact, hit up MM. I think they still sell specifically valved Bilsteins direct. And aren't you in SoCal?
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Originally Posted by PonyMuscletang13
Specifically valved? They are not the same Bilsteins HD's?
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All I can say about that is I sure in the heck don't want to find out, that's for sure