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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
The factory strut mount will likely fall apart when you take your old struts out.

GT500s are the cheapest option. And you can mount them backwards to get more negative camber. They will likely be the easiest on harshness and NVH since there is a good mount of rubber in them.

Steeda mounts are of great quality, and allow even more camber adjustments. I run mine at -2degrees. I love mine
Monster, What mounts do you have? Also did it add any NVH?
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 12:47 AM
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I have the steeda sport springs and koni sports too. On full soft, they are much better. I have to admit I have been considering switching to bilstein. I had h and r springs and bilstein on my Audi A4 and it was pretty impressive. I read a lot of stuff on the forum and truthfully I regret going with the koni. On rough roads, it's uncomfortable.
If only I had known about this over a year ago, I would've gone with Bilstein, but went with the Koni yellows after reading all the positive reviews here on TMS and also talking with Sam Strano who also highly recommended them as well.. Anyhow if setting the koni's to full soft doesn't help, then I'll have to consider looking into Bilsteins

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Monster, What mounts do you have? Also did it add any NVH?
Monster has the Steeda HD mounts and has them set at -2 degrees camber..
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jazzman442
Monster, What mounts do you have? Also did it add any NVH?
Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
If only I had known about this over a year ago, I would've gone with Bilstein, but went with the Koni yellows after reading all the positive reviews here on TMS and also talking with Sam Strano who also highly recommended them as well.. Anyhow if setting the koni's to full soft doesn't help, then I'll have to consider looking into Bilsteins



Monster has the Steeda HD mounts and has them set at -2 degrees camber..
What he said

I have not observed any additional noise from the Steeda HD mounts.

In terms of harshness, I think they do contribute since it's more of a solid mount then typical rubber. So I would venture a guess that they don't absorb shock as well as the GT500 mounts if that makes sense.

I think your decision should be based on how you plan set your camber. If you don't expect to go more than -1.4 or so the GT500 should be fine. If you want to be able to go as high as -2.5 the HD mounts are the way to go.

And I was also torn on the Bilstein/Koni sport decision last year when I was decising on suspension. Ultimately I wanted a "weekend warrior" setup soft enough for the street, but able to handle track work well.

I still like my Konis. They can be a bit hard over crappy roads, but the dividends they pay at the track keeping the car flat and composed and glued to the road are worth it in my opinion. I love how they slow down the roll and make lateral transitions smooth.

BECAUSE RACE CAR!

I'm not an expert in this topic by any mean, but I had a hard time understanding how Bilsteins could deliver similar performance in both environments without adjustability.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
What he said

I have not observed any additional noise from the Steeda HD mounts.

In terms of harshness, I think they do contribute since it's more of a solid mount then typical rubber. So I would venture a guess that they don't absorb shock as well as the GT500 mounts if that makes sense.

I think your decision should be based on how you plan set your camber. If you don't expect to go more than -1.4 or so the GT500 should be fine. If you want to be able to go as high as -2.5 the HD mounts are the way to go.

And I was also torn on the Bilstein/Koni sport decision last year when I was decising on suspension. Ultimately I wanted a "weekend warrior" setup soft enough for the street, but able to handle track work well.

I still like my Konis. They can be a bit hard over crappy roads, but the dividends they pay at the track keeping the car flat and composed and glued to the road are worth it in my opinion. I love how they slow down the roll and make lateral transitions smooth.

BECAUSE RACE CAR!

I'm not an expert in this topic by any mean, but I had a hard time understanding how Bilsteins could deliver similar performance in both environments without adjustability.
Monster, Thank you for the advice. it helps. I live in Florida and the roads are not to bad. We have a lot of inclines and speed bumps here. I really would like a damper's like the Q1a muti adjustable but they do not make them for our cars other than a coil over. I was also looking at the Eibach stuff as I have the pro stuff on my suburban and really love it.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 10:38 AM
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Bilsteins are more $ but seem to be a quality design. They also can be rebuilt. As with all Bilsteins, these units instantaneously self-adjust to changing road surfaces. In addition, their performance does not gradually decline from age, use or heat - requiring no compensating manual adjustments as with conventional multi-tube units.
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
What he said

I have not observed any additional noise from the Steeda HD mounts.

In terms of harshness, I think they do contribute since it's more of a solid mount then typical rubber. So I would venture a guess that they don't absorb shock as well as the GT500 mounts if that makes sense.

I think your decision should be based on how you plan set your camber. If you don't expect to go more than -1.4 or so the GT500 should be fine. If you want to be able to go as high as -2.5 the HD mounts are the way to go.

And I was also torn on the Bilstein/Koni sport decision last year when I was decising on suspension. Ultimately I wanted a "weekend warrior" setup soft enough for the street, but able to handle track work well.

I still like my Konis. They can be a bit hard over crappy roads, but the dividends they pay at the track keeping the car flat and composed and glued to the road are worth it in my opinion. I love how they slow down the roll and make lateral transitions smooth.

BECAUSE RACE CAR!

I'm not an expert in this topic by any mean, but I had a hard time understanding how Bilsteins could deliver similar performance in both environments without adjustability.
I really envy that your still able to track and race your Stang as a weekend warrior.. Unfortunately due to health related issues, my racing days came to an end years ago.. So my Mustang is mostly used as a DD during car cruise season when taken to cruise events and judged shows.. I'll still on occasion get on it on the interstate, but that's really about it...

Originally Posted by dusman59
Bilsteins are more $ but seem to be a quality design. They also can be rebuilt. As with all Bilsteins, these units instantaneously self-adjust to changing road surfaces. In addition, their performance does not gradually decline from age, use or heat - requiring no compensating manual adjustments as with conventional multi-tube units.
So how would you rate the Bilsteins compared to Koni adjustable yellows in your honest opinion ?
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 08:52 PM
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A friend of mine had steeda sports with koni oranges on his 2012 GT,
So I can say that my yellows on full soft are very close to his orange koni shocks.
However on the track the yellows are much better when adjusted!
As far as the Gt500 mounts I got -1.8 camber on my car with them which is a good
Amount for street and track, and they ride smooth and cost is cheap!
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 06:47 AM
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Has anyone used the RTR adjustable panhard Bar? I like the design and that they use non greased ends.
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
I really envy that your still able to track and race your Stang as a weekend warrior.. Unfortunately due to health related issues, my racing days came to an end years ago.. So my Mustang is mostly used as a DD during car cruise season when taken to cruise events and judged shows.. I'll still on occasion get on it on the interstate, but that's really about it...
Got ya. Hopefully you can find a bearable setting with the Yellows, and if not time for Plan B. I hear Steeda Pro-Action shocks are also pretty easy on the spine.

For a mostly street driven vehicle I don't see a need for adjust ability to be honest.

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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
Got ya. Hopefully you can find a bearable setting with the Yellows, and if not time for Plan B. I hear Steeda Pro-Action shocks are also pretty easy on the spine.

For a mostly street driven vehicle I don't see a need for adjust ability to be honest.
I adjusted my yellow Konis a little firmer after the Whipple went on to help with the added weight in the front.
Plus, for somebody that will occasionally autocross the car they're great to have, and it's not like you'd swap out shocks/struts just for track day
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
I adjusted my yellow Konis a little firmer after the Whipple went on to help with the added weight in the front.
Plus, for somebody that will occasionally autocross the car they're great to have, and it's not like you'd swap out shocks/struts just for track day
that's a fair point.
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabe
I adjusted my yellow Konis a little firmer after the Whipple went on to help with the added weight in the front.
Plus, for somebody that will occasionally autocross the car they're great to have, and it's not like you'd swap out shocks/struts just for track day
Gabe ! What's your opinion on the yellow Koni's when adjusted at full soft.. Is the ride quality considered nearly as smooth compared to stock or does it feel harsh on uneven road surfaces and bumps ?

Thanks, Rocky
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 06:33 PM
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Gabe ! What's your opinion on the yellow Koni's when adjusted at full soft.. Is the ride quality considered nearly as smooth compared to stock or does it feel harsh on uneven road surfaces and bumps ?

Thanks, Rocky
I had them at full soft and they rode fine, still a bit firmer than stock, but definitely not hard at all.
I once turned them to full firm by mistake and .... yeah, that was a freakin' bumpy ride, lol
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 06:35 PM
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The Steeda's provide exceptional ride quality & offer great handling.

Before we released these shocks & struts ... Steeda tested hundreds of different shock/strut combinations with our extensive computer analysis, and then road tested them on the track, street, and dragstrip until we were 100% satisfied that we perfected their performance.

Even if you do not swap out your springs or do any other suspension enhancements, replacing your shocks/struts will dramatically improve your handling.

Happy to help answer any questions or provide pricing support.

Best Regards,

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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 09:21 PM
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I had them at full soft and they rode fine, still a bit firmer than stock, but definitely not hard at all.
I once turned them to full firm by mistake and .... yeah, that was a freakin' bumpy ride, lol
I can just imagine how bumpy the ride was at full firm lol. Mine aren't really so uncomfortable set between firm and soft, expect when going over uneven road surfaces and bumps, but not to where I feel my teeth rattling haha.. Anyway I'd like to get as close to stock when driving on the interstate at cruising speeds.. Hopefully I'll experience the same ride quality as you do when adjusted to full soft when my Stang finally comes out of storage this upcoming spring.. As I can definitely handle a firmer ride over stock, as long as it's not so hard like being inside of a tank

Originally Posted by tj@steeda
The Steeda's provide exceptional ride quality & offer great handling.

Before we released these shocks & struts ... Steeda tested hundreds of different shock/strut combinations with our extensive computer analysis, and then road tested them on the track, street, and dragstrip until we were 100% satisfied that we perfected their performance.

Even if you do not swap out your springs or do any other suspension enhancements, replacing your shocks/struts will dramatically improve your handling.

Happy to help answer any questions or provide pricing support.

Best Regards,

TJ
Thanks TJ.. Btw: my steeda spyders are holding up really well..


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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Just get bags and be done with it

Oddly, it's having Koni's on my daily Escape that made me realize how harsh they were on my Mustang. That and having bags, which make the car ride like something from a German marque.
Lol. It's too late for me. I'm already in too deep with my current set up.
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Old Feb 1, 2017 | 12:43 AM
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Lol. It's too late for me. I'm already in too deep with my current set up.
False, I was on my second set of springs and had Koni Yellows before getting the bags. It's the same as swapping springs/shocks/struts; the only difference is you add a compressor, tank and air lines too.
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Old Feb 1, 2017 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
False, I was on my second set of springs and had Koni Yellows before getting the bags. It's the same as swapping springs/shocks/struts; the only difference is you add a compressor, tank and air lines too.
You my friend are pure evil. 😉
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