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Old Jan 25, 2013 | 08:51 PM
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Relocation brackets or not?

I am lowering my car in a couple of weeks. I am looking to improve handling. I have read a lot of posts about the control arm angle changing when you lower a car and the negative effect this has on your car. I have also read that the differences are very small. I am keeping my stock lcas. Will relocation brackets make a difference on a car lowered using steeda sport springs? Any personal experience would be my preference but any helpful input is appreciated.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. V
I am lowering my car in a couple of weeks. I am looking to improve handling. I have read a lot of posts about the control arm angle changing when you lower a car and the negative effect this has on your car. I have also read that the differences are very small. I am keeping my stock lcas. Will relocation brackets make a difference on a car lowered using steeda sport springs? Any personal experience would be my preference but any helpful input is appreciated.
I believe the relo brackets are only able to be used with tubular/none stock lcas so if you were keeping the stock (crappy) lcas then you need not worry about relo brackets.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 03:14 PM
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I believe the relo brackets are only able to be used with tubular/none stock lcas so if you were keeping the stock (crappy) lcas then you need not worry about relo brackets.
They can be used, I'm wondering if there is a benefit. The brembo cars come with the less crappy gt500 lcas and I'm fine with that. I'm getting my suspension done in 3 weeks and would rather do the relocation brackets at the same time if its needed.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 03:52 PM
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They can be used, I'm wondering if there is a benefit. The brembo cars come with the less crappy gt500 lcas and I'm fine with that. I'm getting my suspension done in 3 weeks and would rather do the relocation brackets at the same time if its needed.
I believe they are still the stamped ones, similar or the same as on the Boss, but I may be wrong. I would go for it if the place doing your suspension thinks the lowering will raise your lca's to parallel with the ground, since you want the lca's perpendicular to the ground.

http://www.cjponyparts.com/product.a...FcqY4AodFmYAxA is a link to the GT500 lca's, do your happen to look like these. If so I would suggest just grabbing some Ford racing tubular lca's from Tousley, I believe they are about 138 and the relo brackets are either the same or slightly cheaper.
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Old Jan 26, 2013 | 05:38 PM
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Brembo cars didnt come with gt500 lca,s.I just swapped out my Brembo lca,s for gt500 ones(FRPP LCA)from AM.They use a harder durometer rubber bushing then the stock Brembo ones and are slightly different looking.I am pretty sure you have to do relocation brackets with the Steeda springs.

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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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Yes to relo brackets. I'm lowered on p springs and before the blower I could manage the slight loss of traction. However, I couldn't put any power down after the TVS. Installed Whiteline brackets last weekend and made a huge difference.

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Old Jan 27, 2013 | 03:43 PM
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You're not dropping your car aggresively low like when using Sport lines or super sports. I would first lower your car and then determine whether they're needed, this install only takes about an hour on car ramps. I would opt for aftermarket LCA's like BMR, METCO or whiteline which should help although whiteline and METCO are much more expensive than the BMR's.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 08:36 AM
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I learned some of the following from an article I recently read concerning LCAs and their functions.

After your car has been lowered, observe the angle of the LCAs. If they are higher at the axle end of the arm, I'd use a relo bracket to set it back to level or slightly lower at the axle end.

When you mash the skinny pedal, the rear end pushes your car forward through the LCAs. Physics teaches us that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, meaning there is force going though the LCAs back to the axle. If your LCAs are angled higher at the axle end, some of the force of acceleration is being applied to the vehicle at a downward angle. Physics tells us that at this angle, the axle of the vehicle and its wheels are being pushed upward at the same time, reducing traction.

Now, if your LCAs terminate at the axle in a lower angle, the force pushing back on the axle will be partially downward, pressing your axle and tires to the ground and improving traction.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 08:53 AM
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That's good info right there!
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ponywars
Brembo cars didnt come with gt500 lca,s.I just swapped out my Brembo lca,s for gt500 ones(FRPP LCA)from AM.They use a harder durometer rubber bushing then the stock Brembo ones and are slightly different looking.I am pretty sure you have to do relocation brackets with the Steeda springs.
Are you sure the brembo cars don't come with the gt500 lcas? Everything I've read says they do.

http://www.brembo50.com/Default.aspx?pageId=1130035

This is just one example.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:08 PM
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I read the samething before i ordered the lca,s but were assured they werent the ones that came on the gt500(stock brembo,s).The frpp lca,s that i put in look a little different than the stockers and have a higher durometer rubber bushing than the stockers also.If they looked identical i wouldnt have put them in,but they do look slightly different.I also felt the rear end tighten up slightly after the install.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. V
Are you sure the brembo cars don't come with the gt500 lcas? Everything I've read says they do.

http://www.brembo50.com/Default.aspx?pageId=1130035

This is just one example.
They are probably called GT500 LCA's but I can almost guarantee your car didn't come with nice tubular LCA's and instead they look like the link I posted.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon302

They are probably called GT500 LCA's but I can almost guarantee your car didn't come with nice tubular LCA's and instead they look like the link I posted.
It's not tubular. It's just a higher durometer bushing in the same stamped steel housing. I am told the boss comes with the same one. My friends lca looks the same and he has a boss.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fdesalvo
I learned some of the following from an article I recently read concerning LCAs and their functions.

After your car has been lowered, observe the angle of the LCAs. If they are higher at the axle end of the arm, I'd use a relo bracket to set it back to level or slightly lower at the axle end.

When you mash the skinny pedal, the rear end pushes your car forward through the LCAs. Physics teaches us that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, meaning there is force going though the LCAs back to the axle. If your LCAs are angled higher at the axle end, some of the force of acceleration is being applied to the vehicle at a downward angle. Physics tells us that at this angle, the axle of the vehicle and its wheels are being pushed upward at the same time, reducing traction.

Now, if your LCAs terminate at the axle in a lower angle, the force pushing back on the axle will be partially downward, pressing your axle and tires to the ground and improving traction.
This was very informative. It leads me to believe that the relocation brackets are a should do item. Any one who has put them on after lowering see an improvement?
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. V
It's not tubular. It's just a higher durometer bushing in the same stamped steel housing. I am told the boss comes with the same one. My friends lca looks the same and he has a boss.
Gotcha, IMO those LCA's are garbage. I have been told that they flex when going over bumps.
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Old Feb 1, 2013 | 03:02 PM
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I don't think I'd bother if I was only lowering my car ~1". For my purposes, the car will be used in mixed scenarios and pretty close to stock power levels. For a dedicated dragger or someone lowering their car over 2" where the angle of the LCAs at the axle is considerable higher, I could see these being mandatory.
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Old Feb 2, 2013 | 09:00 AM
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Does anyone know if the relocation brackets are interchangeable with different LCA's, say I prefer the look/craftsmanship of the FRPP relo brackets but I want the Whiteline LCA's, has anyone mixed and matched like this before?
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Old Feb 2, 2013 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon302
Does anyone know if the relocation brackets are interchangeable with different LCA's, say I prefer the look/craftsmanship of the FRPP relo brackets but I want the Whiteline LCA's, has anyone mixed and matched like this before?
From my research, most seem to interchange unless they specifically say they don't. I have found that many members have mixed and matched. I ordered the steeda lca and bracket because I'm one of those dumb people that likes to stay with one brand.
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Old Feb 3, 2013 | 08:37 PM
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It's not tubular. It's just a higher durometer bushing in the same stamped steel housing. I am told the boss comes with the same one. My friends lca looks the same and he has a boss.
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Old Feb 4, 2013 | 05:46 PM
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I am now in the market for relo brackets, and I am wondering who makes the most stout bracket. I am torn between the WhiteLine and FRPP brackets. Has anyone used another bracket and have a suggestion, I will not go for Steeda however so no need to suggest them.
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