2012-2013 BOSS 302

What is the best track tire for the Boss that is still streetable ?

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Old Feb 3, 2014 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jim woodruff
I to had problems with the front tires the roll center is to great. 450 lb springs in the front and a good adjustable sway bar will solve the problem. No matter what tire you put on the left front will burn up with out spring changes on the track. I will be trying the Trefo once I go thru this last set of Corsa.s. Woodman says the Corsa is a street tire designed for the track. The Trefo is a track tire designed for the street. Good luck
Originally Posted by P0 Corsa

Original thread question. And Bossman302F I interpret your question as to which tires are suggested to replace the OE Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires, ie you want to maintain the Ford developed stagger geometry and keep the 19" rims.



Hey Jim the Trefo tires do look interesting. The Pirelli website on this tire seems to comment in several locations it is not the best wet tire and was really developed for, “Designed for racetrack driving on dry asphalt.... P Zero™ Trofeo is not recommended for use in very wet track conditions.” My only concern with the recommendation is the tire might be a bit compromised in wet street driving, if that is an important consideration for Bossman302F. The picture of the “tread” looks a bit shallow to achieve the DOT street rating. It certainly looks like a good candidate for track and limited street use. Also a plus is this tire system is available in our OE tire sizes.
http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/motorsport/sheet/pzero_trofeo.html



Ford20, the PSS’s will certainly do both track and street uses. As I stated in my post, I discussed follow on tires for my Boss when the PO Corsa’s were worn out with a driver who has tested/evaluated several brands and he very highly recommended the PSS’s as soon as I could. He indicated the difference is significant. I am told the Boss “team” wanted the Michlen’s OE but there were some internal hurdles which just could not be surmounted and Ford has had a longtime and good relationship with Pirelli (since Firestone Wilderness AT issue).
Thanks gents!

I appreciate the responses!
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Old Feb 7, 2014 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jim woodruff
Call Bob Woodmen tire and look at the new Pirelli Trefo system. Every thing I have read is this is top shelf about the same price as the Corsa System.
Jim to be more precise you want the Trefeo R. The original Trefeo did not do well so Pirelli redesigned it. The Z/28 comes with 305/30/19 square. Think of these tires as one step off a Hoosier R6. They won't perform quite as well but will last a little bit longer. These should be killer ringer tires and they come is sizes close to the stock Boss sizes. According to the Pirelli rep I met at SEMA these tires are vastly superior to the Corsas. I think the 265 and 295 would be killer on stock LS wheels or 285 and 305 on wider wheels or a square setup. The rep was not happy that GM is taking his 305/30/19 tires and they are hard to find. If anyone is really really serious about locating a set I have the Pirelli rep's contact info.

These are not for a DD.

http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/ca..._trofeo_r.html

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Old Feb 7, 2014 | 08:15 PM
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I just ordered a set of sumitomo htr ZIII in 275/40/18 rear and 255/45/18 front for my track wheels. Have run these before in my Audi and while they are not the grippiest out there with treadwear of 300 they hold up very well and are cheaper than basically all other options.

That said I will likely go with nitto NT01's for my next round of track tires.
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 08:26 AM
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Bossman302F and Ford 20-

Although the formal introduction of the SVT Mustang is a ways off, (some say Spring 2014, some say Fall 2014) and testing/evaluation of many components continues in earnest, the photos offered in Post #11 (October 2013) of
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...stang-663.html

clearly show the Michelin PSS's are being evaluated for this Mustang application. And to be fair along with Pirelli and Goodyear's offered in other spy shots. These tires would be Daily Driver tires for wet as well as track conditions. We will have to wait to see the ultimate selection but my next set will be the PSS.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Brandon302
295/35/18 not exactly 27" but 26.1" isn't awful and you could fix that with a tuner I would think.

What is the load rating on the 295/35R18? it might not seem important but a trunk full of luggage, a tank full of gas, defeating the speed limiter and trying to impress a car with your three favorite plus sized chicks could lead to some difficulty if the tires are over loaded.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 07:07 PM
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Hey Guys - I only drive my BOSS in the dry and it has never seen the rain. What would be the best tore choice for only dry street performance ?

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Old Feb 17, 2014 | 01:22 PM
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Under those conditions, I would say Hoosier R6's, 265/35ZR19 and 295/30ZR19
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
Under those conditions, I would say Hoosier R6's, 265/35ZR19 and 295/30ZR19
And which are not street tires...
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 11:33 AM
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My Hoosier recommendations ARE Department of Transportation (DOT) “approved” tires. See page 19 of the Hoosier catalogue under the category “Sports Car D.O.T. – Radial”. The tires have two small grooves in the mostly smooth tread to allow them to be legally driven on the street. However, Hoosier prominently displays on all its catalogue pages the disclaimer,

WARNING: DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires meet Department of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only and are NOT INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE. It is unsafe to operate any Hoosier Racing Tire including DOT tires on public roads. The prohibited use of Hoosier Racing Tires on public roadways may result in loss of traction, unexpected loss of vehicle control, or sudden loss of tire pressure, resulting in vehicle crash and possible injury or death.

I know owners in Arizona and California who routinely drive their Boss with these tires. They too do not drive their car in the rain which is what the thread originator stipulated. I personally would opt for the Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires as discussed in other threads.
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Old Feb 18, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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I think if you are looking for a track/street tire you need to just view some tires like the Hankook RS3, BFG Rivals, etc. and spend the little bit of money and get a set of 18 inch rims. Once purchased the tires end up being alot less expensive, more choices , etc. over the years. Though one of the best choices , I believe , is to get used Continental Slicks from GT Racing ( at 100 a pop), or scour the Hoosier site for Continental slicks on sale , and just mount those on your 18 inch rims that you purchased. You will stick alot better, have more fun, and just keep your street tires for just that, as frankly can't say the Pirellis are a great tire for our car. Like others that listed about them, I destroyed a set of Corsas in a very, very , very short time, and two seperated.

So simple suggestion..........buy some Enkei rims, get used race slicks or get a set inexpensively from Hoosier Direct , and drag those to the track when you want to play.
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Old Feb 19, 2014 | 07:44 AM
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"used Continental Slicks from GT Racing ( at 100 a pop)"

from where?
Any Dallas TX dealers?
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Old Feb 19, 2014 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
My Hoosier recommendations ARE Department of Transportation (DOT) “approved” tires. See page 19 of the Hoosier catalogue under the category “Sports Car D.O.T. – Radial”. The tires have two small grooves in the mostly smooth tread to allow them to be legally driven on the street. However, Hoosier prominently displays on all its catalogue pages the disclaimer,

WARNING: DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires meet Department of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only and are NOT INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE. It is unsafe to operate any Hoosier Racing Tire including DOT tires on public roads. The prohibited use of Hoosier Racing Tires on public roadways may result in loss of traction, unexpected loss of vehicle control, or sudden loss of tire pressure, resulting in vehicle crash and possible injury or death.

I know owners in Arizona and California who routinely drive their Boss with these tires. They too do not drive their car in the rain which is what the thread originator stipulated. I personally would opt for the Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires as discussed in other threads.
Ummmm. Yeah. Anyway, OP. Dont use hoosiers for street applications even if someone says 'other people do it'. They are not recommended for use on streets and are not designed for such. The DOT rating is irrelevant to that fact.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DGRacing
Ummmm. Yeah. Anyway, OP. Dont use hoosiers for street applications even if someone says 'other people do it'. They are not recommended for use on streets and are not designed for such. The DOT rating is irrelevant to that fact.


DG, certainly understand your opinion not to run Hoosiers on the street. And just because many do does not make it “right” but the fact remains many do.

One question though, if “The DOT rating is irrelevant to that fact” as you opine, why did Hoosier bother to spend the time to certify and test their tires to DOT standards (if it is irrelevant)? From a business standpoint that does not make sense. And in my opinion it is certainly relevant.
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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa


One question though, if “The DOT rating is irrelevant to that fact” as you opine, why did Hoosier bother to spend the time to certify and test their tires to DOT standards (if it is irrelevant)? From a business standpoint that does not make sense. And in my opinion it is certainly relevant.
Because it's a "feature" that many folks desire.

The point is that being DOT approved does NOT make them good on the street...it simply means you won't get a ticket for driving them on the street. And since the guy said he wants them for "street performance" it would be best to suggest something that actually works well in street applications (i.e., tires that don't need to be warmed up to actually grip anything), instead of a track tire that just doesn't operate well outside of track environments.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Joeywhat
Because it's a "feature" that many folks desire.


Thanks, Joeywhat. Exactly my point. The DOT rating IS relevant!

Originally Posted by Joeywhat
And since the guy said he wants them for "street performance" it would be best to suggest something that actually works well in street applications (i.e., tires that don't need to be warmed up to actually grip anything), instead of a track tire that just doesn't operate well outside of track environments.


Please reread my post. I already did this.

Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
I personally would opt for the Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires as discussed in other threads.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa

Thanks, Joeywhat. Exactly my point. The DOT rating IS relevant!



Please reread my post. I already did this.
You didn't say it in your original reply to the person looking for a recommendation on a good dry weather street tire. The DOT rating is not relevant to folks like him, since he doesn't want a track tire, and regardless of the DOT rating it's a track tire.

Yes you recommended a street tire...after recommending what is basically a track only tire in terms of usefulness.
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JPC
"used Continental Slicks from GT Racing ( at 100 a pop)"

from where?
Any Dallas TX dealers?
Vorshlag has plenty of them.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 09:51 PM
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We mount and balance all of our own tires and I am another one that would NEVER advocate running the Hoosiers on the street. They have a VERY light carcass and would likely fail very easily if you hit a piece of debris that a "normal" tire might handle very easily. DOT rating is cool so that in a pinch you could run from the track to a nearby gas station and not get a ticket. They're "da-bomb" on the track, but choose something with a little better headroom for running on the street!


FWIW, our favorite track/street tire for the Mustangs is the Hankook RS3's.
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Old Feb 28, 2014 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by nota4re
We mount and balance all of our own tires and I am another one that would NEVER advocate running the Hoosiers on the street. They have a VERY light carcass and would likely fail very easily if you hit a piece of debris that a "normal" tire might handle very easily. DOT rating is cool so that in a pinch you could run from the track to a nearby gas station and not get a ticket. They're "da-bomb" on the track, but choose something with a little better headroom for running on the street!


FWIW, our favorite track/street tire for the Mustangs is the Hankook RS3's.
This....pretty much common knowledge.

From Hoosier:
NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE: All Hoosier Racing Tires including DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires are designed for racing purposes only on specified racing surfaces and are not to be operated on public roadways. DOT labeled Hoosier Racing Tires meet Department Of Transportation requirements for marking and performance only and are NOT INTENDED FOR HIGHWAY USE. It is unsafe to operate any Hoosier Racing Tire including DOT tires on public roads. The prohibited use of Hoosier Racing Tires on public roadways may result in loss of traction, unexpected loss of vehicle control, or sudden loss of tire pressure, resulting in a vehicle crash and possible injury or death.

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 04:28 PM
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I went with the Michelin PSS 265/295 on the stockers.
Best mod to date. I'm 100% amazed on how these tires hook on the street and turns.


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