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5/26/11, 04:19 PM
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lol, your asking questions like i know what i am talking about. I'm a racing noob, when i autocrossed the car, it slid a lot. i know that depends on the conditions and track, it also pushed a lot in the turns. i think the experienced guys called it turn over?? (i was speed addled and my brain was mostly just making my head nod and thinking OMFG that was cool so i half listened) You could see where the tires rolled onto the side wall in hard turns, someone said a tire with less flex and stiffer sidewalls would turn in better and not have that issue.
5/26/11, 04:38 PM
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5/26/11, 07:27 PM
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Ok, Shane. I think what you need is more experience.
At least before you go spending money on "improvements" which you will not be able to appreciate.
Spend you initial money on track events to learn about your car and driving technique.
And as recommended above, tire pressures are very important!
Oh, by the way, did you read the Ford supplement in the owners manual for tracking the Boss? Lots of good stuff there.
At least before you go spending money on "improvements" which you will not be able to appreciate.
Spend you initial money on track events to learn about your car and driving technique.
And as recommended above, tire pressures are very important!
Oh, by the way, did you read the Ford supplement in the owners manual for tracking the Boss? Lots of good stuff there.
5/26/11, 07:32 PM
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You should be fine. My GT500 is probably lowered about that same amount and I ran them on track without issue. The 305 fits pretty well on the 10.5 rim. It doesn't bulge much so it may move it in slightly but not much.
5/26/11, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nota4re
If you get down this way, stop by the house as we typically have 4-5 examples of this one Ford model hang'n around...
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5/26/11, 07:59 PM
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Ok, Shane. I think what you need is more experience.
At least before you go spending money on "improvements" which you will not be able to appreciate.
Spend you initial money on track events to learn about your car and driving technique.
And as recommended above, tire pressures are very important!
Oh, by the way, did you read the Ford supplement in the owners manual for tracking the Boss? Lots of good stuff there.
At least before you go spending money on "improvements" which you will not be able to appreciate.
Spend you initial money on track events to learn about your car and driving technique.
And as recommended above, tire pressures are very important!
Oh, by the way, did you read the Ford supplement in the owners manual for tracking the Boss? Lots of good stuff there.
5/26/11, 08:09 PM
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I found that getting used to street tires before going with race tires helped me to focus on feeling the weight transfer under braking and acceleration, as well as being smoother on turning the steering wheel and applying the gas and brake pedals.
5/26/11, 08:42 PM
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Take that with a grain of salt, using DOT ratings to ascertain relative performance (and this is giving UTQG ratings alot of credit) would be crude at best since the method of testing is left up to the individual tire manufacturer (as an example at one time Michelin rated an 80k all-season passenger tire at 400 while thier current crop of 80k tires are rated at about 740) As a tool of comparison within a manufacturer's product line they are a bit better.
A multi brand tire comparison (if you can find one) would be a much better tool to choose with.
--->thinking out loud<--- I wonder how well a tire magazine or webzine would work? --->not thinking out loud any more <---
A multi brand tire comparison (if you can find one) would be a much better tool to choose with.
--->thinking out loud<--- I wonder how well a tire magazine or webzine would work? --->not thinking out loud any more <---
5/26/11, 10:36 PM
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5/26/11, 10:41 PM
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moving to super sticky tires to soon just covers up bad habits. and it only gets worse..
when you get to hpde4 then think about it.
if i had a new boss and was starting to do track days, i would stick a set of star specs or kook v12s on it and learn..
beers
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5/27/11, 12:02 AM
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I am thinking about a NT05 295/35/18 on those 10.5 PF01's. Do you think that will accomplish nearly the same result?
5/27/11, 09:07 AM
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I've also been thinking of the Hankook's for my track rims (stock rims). Not the most high performance but that's where I'm going to start.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests
5/27/11, 10:16 AM
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I like reviews that confirm my opinions ;-)
but seriously, as I stated earlier, the dunlop star specs have proven to be a great choice...at least with the cayman / boxster guys I've been running with over the last few seasons.
5/27/11, 10:32 AM
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5/27/11, 12:32 PM
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for the track, Id consider
running 18 275/35's square on the bbs 18/10 rims.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....t+Z1+Star+Spec
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....t+Z1+Star+Spec
5/27/11, 01:11 PM
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running 18 275/35's square on the bbs 18/10 rims.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....t+Z1+Star+Spec
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....t+Z1+Star+Spec
He really does not like the square setup on the Boss. Like he says they set it up this way for a reason. I know you have a lot more experience with this then me but I am sticking with what he said and getting the staggered setup.
5/27/11, 01:18 PM
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This. You don't want less rubber on the rear.
5/27/11, 02:38 PM
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Gez, looks like a number of people are now talking about the Car and Driver report on summer tires I posted up earlier in this thread. (now even in other Forums).
This report has been out there since July 2009. Anyone else done some research into tire options specific to the 19" rims on our Boss?
What do you say 5 DOT 0? What are you leaning toward?
This report has been out there since July 2009. Anyone else done some research into tire options specific to the 19" rims on our Boss?
What do you say 5 DOT 0? What are you leaning toward?
5/27/11, 04:14 PM
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and what do you think the reason is?
hey, I haven't driven the car, so I'll wait to judge until I do.
I don't think the issue is how much rubber one has on the rear, but how how much total tire patch (or 'rubber') you have and how it's distributed. a 275 square setup gives more total tire patch than the stock setup.
(and, if you were to judge purely based on 'how much rubber you have on the rear, I'm pretty confident a 275 star spec is going to give you more grip that the stock tire in a 285)
I'm very much on board with respecting what's been engineered into the boss. But I'm also well-aware that nearly every performance car maker delivers cars with a tendency toward understeer as opposed to oversteer. This mostly comes down to driver safety / liability...it's believed to be safer for the average driver of these cars to have them understeer vs. oversteer. And when I say 'average' driver, I'm talking about the kind of person flying around the streets or doing casual DE's who's never spent one day in an actual driving school, read a book on the subject, etc. Because, let's face it, that's what a lot of people do. And I see lots of cars doing very well at the track with square setups that were delivered as staggered setups. e36 bmw's, boxster / cayman, evo / sti's. And there's the added benefit of being able to rotate them front-to-back.
All the reviews I've read suggest that the boss is a very well-balanced (neutral steering) machine...so I'm not saying that I know the square is better, but I am going to be trying it for the track. I don't think it's a matter of Gary being right or wrong...I'm pretty sure he's right for him. And he may be right for most drivers...maybe even for me. Different tastes are possible, and I tend to like a car the rotates pretty quickly...coming out of mid-engined cars for most of my track driving experience. So we'll see. that's half the fun...getting the car dialed in to best suit your preferences.
I don't think the issue is how much rubber one has on the rear, but how how much total tire patch (or 'rubber') you have and how it's distributed. a 275 square setup gives more total tire patch than the stock setup.
(and, if you were to judge purely based on 'how much rubber you have on the rear, I'm pretty confident a 275 star spec is going to give you more grip that the stock tire in a 285)
I'm very much on board with respecting what's been engineered into the boss. But I'm also well-aware that nearly every performance car maker delivers cars with a tendency toward understeer as opposed to oversteer. This mostly comes down to driver safety / liability...it's believed to be safer for the average driver of these cars to have them understeer vs. oversteer. And when I say 'average' driver, I'm talking about the kind of person flying around the streets or doing casual DE's who's never spent one day in an actual driving school, read a book on the subject, etc. Because, let's face it, that's what a lot of people do. And I see lots of cars doing very well at the track with square setups that were delivered as staggered setups. e36 bmw's, boxster / cayman, evo / sti's. And there's the added benefit of being able to rotate them front-to-back.
All the reviews I've read suggest that the boss is a very well-balanced (neutral steering) machine...so I'm not saying that I know the square is better, but I am going to be trying it for the track. I don't think it's a matter of Gary being right or wrong...I'm pretty sure he's right for him. And he may be right for most drivers...maybe even for me. Different tastes are possible, and I tend to like a car the rotates pretty quickly...coming out of mid-engined cars for most of my track driving experience. So we'll see. that's half the fun...getting the car dialed in to best suit your preferences.