http://www.steeda.com/store/boss-302...k-stage-1.html

 

YES

If you are into handling, which most Boss owners are.

This package will noticeably improve grip, steering response, and reduce body roll. It will also give you camber adjustment that is not available from the factory.

 

stage 1 implies more, so what's next?

 

Stage 2, obviously

 

Nice... LOL

The Stage 2 kit is those same components plus front and rear swaybars, both adjustable. Front bar at max adjustment has 27% more roll stiffness, the rear bar has 83% more roll stiffness at its stiffest setting, both are adjustable to dial in handling balance.

http://www.steeda.com/store/stage-2-...dling-pak.html

Please excuse the formatting errors on that page, I just noticed them. My web guy will have to fix that tomorrow.

 

Just to be clear--you're talking about stiffness difference vs. the GT bars, right?

 

No, Boss. Boss has a 34.6MM front bar, and a 25mm (1 inch) rear bar.

From the data we have from Ford, the Boss bar although slightly thicker than the GT has a different wall thickness and is approximately the same roll stiffness as the GT bar.

All our numbers are based on that information.

 

What's the max neg camber you can obtain with your strut mounts?

 

I'm most likely going to go with this package. A little more body control and rear end stability will go a long way on the track for me....

can you guys humor a newb for a second? So I understand that if I was to add a higher spring rate it would cause that end to break traction sooner? EG: If I'm understeering I'd add more spring rate/larger roll bar to the rear, right? so how does having a higher spring rate increase handling? Does it only increase feel and lose more grip? What is it that I'm missing here?

 

The included adjustable strut mounts feature a +1/-1 degree range of camber adjustment.

 

Gus.....is there any data like lap times or whatever that proves either stage is better than stock? This is not an attack on the product what so ever. I am just curious. I am waiting for someone to come out with staged kits like this that is PROVEN to be faster around a track. I think I asked this of you before but can't remember for sure...

 

Thanks for the help today, Gus. Install is scheduled for tomorrow.

 

If that's true it's not enough. You need -2+ for tracking your Boss.

 

No problem, I think you did ask this before and I had round about numbers for just the springs. Testing was done by different drivers at different tracks and all saw between 1 and 3 second improvement in lap times.

I can't provide numbers for the panhard bar specifically, we chose it because it has already been proven as a benefit in professional racing. For years this part has been approved by Grand AM and Koni Challenge series and used in practically every FR500 out there racing in these series because of its handling benefit and adjustment for vehicle setup.

Having camber adjustment for racing has its own benefits including being able to change your setup for different tracks or simply for street vs track use.

 

If you are hardcore about it, yes. Not for everyone.

 

Thanks Gus. Is the 1-3 seconds just for the springs?

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

I am not an expert on this but so far the -1.8 has been working well with my NT-05's. It may have something to do with tires that are run not just driving style Been asking for a lot of advise at the tracks but since I got the pressures correct (or better) they have not worn into the arrows on the sides of the tires. I wanted to change the setting to -2 or more but everyone tells me to leave the camber setting alone (knowledgeable people). This is of course with stock springs.

 

Get tire temps ASAP with an IR pyrometer when you come off track. You will see then if you need more camber. Ideally, you want Inner, Middle, and Outer readings all within a 10*F range.
But for reference, the Grand-Am teams are running in the -3 range.

 

LOL, it just arrived in the mail yesterday. Too late for Daytona but I have been practicing taking the temperature of my dog from across the room

Ran the pressure about 8 pounds higher at Daytona and did not wear the tires one little bit.