440hp range like the Boss? or more?

 

yes.

 

"450 4 50"....450HP for 50th Anniversary....Nice Tagline
A 5.0 Boss motor with DI...even the MPG will rise.

 

HP usually follows weight/size generally speaking. In the years when the Mustang got bigger, so did the power. When it shrunk it got lower. If the next model is supposed to be significantly smaller and lighter, can we really expect a power increase as well?

I'd like to think so, but history seems to say otherwise.

 

They still have to compete irregardless of size/weight with the competition.

For most people, you'll hear 'it has HHH horsepower' not 'well it weighs WWWlbs'
I'd expect HP to rise a bit, but it doesn't need to be as much, if it is lighter. I doubt it'll go down though.

I also wouldn't want to assume the BOSS engine is going to be the fit for the GT.

 

maybe they'll DI it for fuel efficiency rather than power. While decreasing weigh for even better efficiency since the cafe standards are rising.

 

I'd be happy with the same hp or even a little bit less, if the weight drops enough to keep the same weight/hp ratio (or even improve it a bit) over the current Mustang GT. I'm sure we'll see a higher hp V8 in a special edition, but I'm not so sure about the standard GT.

 

I'm sure that the word you are looking for is "regardless."

 

No, unless you want to pay a "Boss" price.

 

They have the same meaning . . . one is just a double negative . . . fitting for Boomer!

 

I'm sure next someone will rip me appart for spelling it 'coloUr'

 

It's actually irregardlessly

 

Just to be sure, let's make it non-anti-un-irregardlessly.

 

I would hope so, but there may be a time in the future where hp starts dropping, like in the early 70's to meet strict emissions, don't/hope it doesn't cone to that

 

Sooner or later HP will be limited or come down to complie with CAFE standards. Or they will have to sell the hell out of the 40mpg+ models to meet the average and still keep the 5.0.

 

i dont think HP will have to come down however the avg HP per mustang sold will have to drop. i think they will keep pushing the V8 upmarket in cost which will reduce units sold on the V8 and put more buyers in the eco 4 and presumably the eco 6. so the mustang will mix out positive toward cafe standards.

 

Efficiency and power are not mutually exclusive if you're willing to keep refining/innovating. The 5.0 and 3.7 are both good examples, more efficient and more powerful than you would have thought 20 years ago.

 

Probably so, but it sure would be nice if Ford used the Boss as the reference car for the next gen summer tire equipped GT when it comes to performance numbers (handling, braking, and acceleration). Talk about awesome progress.

Also, you guys are focusing to much on CAFE, thats not what is going to kill horsepower. Carbon is considered a pollutant by dint of its effect in the form of green house gas emissions the EPA has dominion over that.

As long as the fleet average meets the CAFE standards you can have a car that makes a top fuel dragster look like a fuel miser. On the other hand with carbon being considered a pollutant, each car is only allowed to emit a certain amount per mile (IIRC) and the only way to do that is to reduce fuel consumption in one form or another (increased mileage, reduced power, reduced engine run time, et al).

 

CAFE won't kill the Mustang, and this is why:

If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of car and/or truck production falls below the defined standard, the manufacturer must pay a penalty, currently $5.50 USD per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market.

The whole fleet is taken into consideration. Ford has a lot of high MPG cars that will more than outweigh the relatively little number of Mustangs they sell. I would expect at least 440. The 2012 Hyundai Genesis R-Spec has a 430HP 5.0L engine.

 

What if they change cafe to be by class and not fleet wide average?