Motortrend Head to Head vs. Camaro 1LE
10/15/14, 02:09 PM
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That the Mustang's significantly smaller (displacement) mill could basically match that bigger motor's power and come so close in torque perhaps speaks to a more capable engine design of the 5.0.
10/15/14, 02:13 PM
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Interestingly, the GT's torque peak, though 20 lb/ft shy of the 1LE's 420, does come at a lower rpm while the hp peak comes at a higher rpm, i.e., in some ways the GT has a broader power spread. I think the 1LE's slightly superior torque is more a result of its extra 1.2 liters displacement than some magic of pushrods. That the Mustang's significantly smaller (displacement) mill could basically match that bigger motor's power and come so close in torque perhaps speaks to a more capable engine design of the 5.0.
10/15/14, 02:16 PM
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Yep.....same old crap from Ford.........Narrow tires and soft shocks........Always has been and always will be..........
Thank goodness for the aftermarket
Thank goodness for the aftermarket
10/15/14, 02:24 PM
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It will be interesting to see what Steeda or Roush come out with for suspension packages. A Mustang GT with no options but the PP is a few thousand dollars less than a Camaro SS with no options but the 1LE package. A person might decide to buy a GT without the PP, get upgrades from Roush or Steeda and still be into it for no more money that a Camaro SS with 1LE.
10/15/14, 02:39 PM
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It will be interesting to see what Steeda or Roush come out with for suspension packages. A Mustang GT with no options but the PP is a few thousand dollars less than a Camaro SS with no options but the 1LE package. A person might decide to buy a GT without the PP, get upgrades from Roush or Steeda and still be into it for no more money that a Camaro SS with 1LE.
10/15/14, 03:21 PM
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Well this is a fun video, but I'm pretty sure the 1LE is a response to the Boss. Really not he same comparison since a Boss is not a GT with PP. Anyway, so the marketing goes. So, as close as they were, good things must be coming
10/15/14, 04:00 PM
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I thought the ZL1 was the answer to the BOSS.
10/15/14, 04:18 PM
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I think the ZL1 was a response to the pre-2012 GT500 in general. I'm not 100% on any of this, just remember reading stuff when they came out. Either way, these various magazines seem like they almost never compare apples to apples. I suspect it to invoke these arguments 
10/15/14, 05:48 PM
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I still think the mags are biased on what they pick. I ordered the PP so I could have a better handling mustang than just entry level. Granted it's not like a track car but I'm not running on the track and don't plan too. I cannot see spending thousands for true track handling if it'd just a DD. I mean if you truly need a track handling car for every day then maybe you should bye European. I guess I don't have the money to hang with all you guys who think they need a nascar under the seat to be happy. If I had all this money to blow I might have ordered a zl1 or 1le too but I don't. Not compromising on anything by getting what I'm getting and don't knock what others get on their car either. This is why we love our cars and also love the competition. I think camero and challenger/charger have been reborn just because of what mustang has done to the industry. Let's see where it goes...
10/15/14, 07:21 PM
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Respectfully disagree.
2 second difference on a ~1:2x track is HUGE.
And I've worked on the 1LE before owning my 2014 GT TP, and I can tell you first hand it is much better suited for the track than the Mustang. As a driver you can push the car harder without feeling like at any given point the tail will break away. And surprisingly, for it being nearly a 4000 pound fatty it does not undesteer.
And it's not just the tire size. The car is engineered to be like this. Weight distribution, sway bars, damping, compression, rebound, spring rates, chassis stiffness.. the whole 9 yards.
The car comes with a 3.92 final drive, but the gears are TALLER than my car with 3.73's!
I'm still trying to figure out what components to put together for my car to mimic what comes from the factory on 1LE!
2 second difference on a ~1:2x track is HUGE.
And I've worked on the 1LE before owning my 2014 GT TP, and I can tell you first hand it is much better suited for the track than the Mustang. As a driver you can push the car harder without feeling like at any given point the tail will break away. And surprisingly, for it being nearly a 4000 pound fatty it does not undesteer.
And it's not just the tire size. The car is engineered to be like this. Weight distribution, sway bars, damping, compression, rebound, spring rates, chassis stiffness.. the whole 9 yards.
The car comes with a 3.92 final drive, but the gears are TALLER than my car with 3.73's!
I'm still trying to figure out what components to put together for my car to mimic what comes from the factory on 1LE!
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10/15/14, 07:35 PM
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I expect great things from this platform.
10/15/14, 07:48 PM
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Ok, I went back and did some digging... and I have to be fair to the 2015 Mustang, and give credit where credit is due. It is faster than the 2014 and the 2011 @ Streets of Willow.
And not surprisingly, the same comments about inferior damping and soft suspension apply to the 2011, 2013 and 2015 all the same.
Here is a link to the 2013 GT TP vs 2013 Camaro 1LE:
The Mustang ran 1:25.7 with Randy behind the wheel. The Camaro did it in 1:22.7 (basically unchanged compared to 2015 so the Camaro is good control result). And the 2015 Mustang Performance Pack did Streets of Willow 1.4s faster than the 2014 GT TP. So the 2015 Mustang shrank Camaro's lead by 1.4s.
In 2011 there was a video comparing the 2011 Mustang Brembo package to the 2011 M3. Also at Streets of Willow, and also with Randy Pobst behind the wheel. Back then the mustang did it in 1:27.7. Here is the video:
So the new mustang is ~1.5 seconds quicker on a 1:2x track than the outgoing model. Not bad.
And not surprisingly, the same comments about inferior damping and soft suspension apply to the 2011, 2013 and 2015 all the same.
Here is a link to the 2013 GT TP vs 2013 Camaro 1LE:
The Mustang ran 1:25.7 with Randy behind the wheel. The Camaro did it in 1:22.7 (basically unchanged compared to 2015 so the Camaro is good control result). And the 2015 Mustang Performance Pack did Streets of Willow 1.4s faster than the 2014 GT TP. So the 2015 Mustang shrank Camaro's lead by 1.4s.
In 2011 there was a video comparing the 2011 Mustang Brembo package to the 2011 M3. Also at Streets of Willow, and also with Randy Pobst behind the wheel. Back then the mustang did it in 1:27.7. Here is the video:
So the new mustang is ~1.5 seconds quicker on a 1:2x track than the outgoing model. Not bad.
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10/15/14, 07:50 PM
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10/15/14, 07:58 PM
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Sadly, I've been feeling the same way lately. My car just does not make me happy. I feel like I really should have bought a new family car for my fiancée and a fun (but slow and fuel efficient) daily driver. Now I probably would've gotten a Fiesta ST or Focus ST, but I could've gotten two new cars for the price of my loaded GT. Which is wasting away in traffic. And has turned into a rattle trap in only 5k miles.
Take that thing to a track, you'll see a it in a whole new light!
My car, which I got 15 months ago has made my drive to and from work AWESOME! But it's not too congested here, and I have plenty of passing opportunities. Plus with GT500 A/Bs it sounds fan-frikkin-tastic. And I've been impressed with it at the track. Only the 'vette and the 1LE really beat it. BMW's, EVO's, Miata, FRS, WRXes and the like look great in your rear view
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10/15/14, 08:19 PM
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Sadly, I've been feeling the same way lately. My car just does not make me happy. I feel like I really should have bought a new family car for my fiancée and a fun (but slow and fuel efficient) daily driver. Now I probably would've gotten a Fiesta ST or Focus ST, but I could've gotten two new cars for the price of my loaded GT. Which is wasting away in traffic. And has turned into a rattle trap in only 5k miles.
Anyway, that car has been on my mind...
Temporary infatuation? Like going from a blonde to a redhead?
10/15/14, 08:23 PM
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Makes me anxious for the 2016 comparison with the redesigned Camaro. If it's already this close, Ford better hope they don't improve on the Camaro's performance. Fanboi excuses be damned.