I want a Hyundai style engine line up for 2014
10/4/09, 02:54 AM
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True. But what it does show is a lack of profitability and a bad business model over the past few years. Have they seen the light? Are they all of a sudden on the right path, or are they just wandering in the wilderness.
I don't have any faith in them like I do in Ford. And so no I don't have any faith that they even know how to make a profit, other than simply taking in more money than you spend.
I don't have any faith in them like I do in Ford. And so no I don't have any faith that they even know how to make a profit, other than simply taking in more money than you spend.
10/4/09, 07:35 AM
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I was thinking about this today. Why even keep making V6 mustangs? I know some like them better as daily drivers and all that jazz. Why not have a Focus RS replace the V6 stang and work on making the new 5.0 mustang better?
also every chevy lot that I have dropped by to see the new camaro had 5+ V6's on the lot. They all started at $27,000 for some very base looking cars. They had a delux model on the lot for 31k and yes it was a V6. I laughed and told the sales guy that how much my brand new mustang gt costed.
also every chevy lot that I have dropped by to see the new camaro had 5+ V6's on the lot. They all started at $27,000 for some very base looking cars. They had a delux model on the lot for 31k and yes it was a V6. I laughed and told the sales guy that how much my brand new mustang gt costed.
Not everyone wants a tire roasting fire blazing bullet, but like the overall look & feel of a rwd coupe, or have a tighter budget that makes a GT out of their reach.Price markup is insane here too.
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10/5/09, 08:10 AM
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+1, The Mustang makes it's livelyhood off of the V6 (read entry level). You kill it and you effectively have killed the mustang. Chrysler was proposing to bring the Challenger out only in V8 form, they saw the light.
The Entry level is where all the sales go. You pull the 21K mustang and all you have left is less then half of the sales on a platform that doesn't really lend to any other vehicle.
The Entry level is where all the sales go. You pull the 21K mustang and all you have left is less then half of the sales on a platform that doesn't really lend to any other vehicle.
10/5/09, 08:44 AM
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Honestly...Hyundai has their stuff together, and that is how they do it. They skimp where they can get away with it though.
I drove a Sonata for a year, not a mustang, but a great car.
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10/5/09, 10:48 AM
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Sounds a lot like what I was saying early last week:
Like I said, while the "American Muscle" mindset people would think, "why would I want a turbo 4 if the bigger N/A engine still makes more power"?... that's not who this car is for.
It's for:
1. People who want a Mustang, but also want decent gas mileage. An EcoBoost 4 should have no trouble hitting 30mpg+ on the highway.
2. People with import tendencies who see it is a RWD competitor to the Civic Si, the MS3, Hyundai Genesis Coupe (also RWD), etc.
No, the "there's no replacement for displacement" guys won't be buying these, but they can go ahead and buy the V8's. However, a turbo-4 that significantly increases sales is a win-win for everyone. It helps to subsidize the sale of the relatively low-volume V8's like the base Mustangs always have so they're still around for the people who want them. Everyone's happy.
Originally Posted by Blainestang
IMO, skip the two seperate tunes on the V6, and offer a 2.xL EcoBoost 4-cylinder as the BASE model.
Price it a significant amount less than the V6, and it will get GREAT gas mileage while still putting out 230-250hp and similar torque.
Not only would this be a value leader AND mileage leader in the Pony Car class, the turbo I4 and price could draw in some of the more "import" type buyers that would otherwise end up with a Civic Si, Mazdaspeed 3, etc.
Price it a significant amount less than the V6, and it will get GREAT gas mileage while still putting out 230-250hp and similar torque.
Not only would this be a value leader AND mileage leader in the Pony Car class, the turbo I4 and price could draw in some of the more "import" type buyers that would otherwise end up with a Civic Si, Mazdaspeed 3, etc.
It's for:
1. People who want a Mustang, but also want decent gas mileage. An EcoBoost 4 should have no trouble hitting 30mpg+ on the highway.
2. People with import tendencies who see it is a RWD competitor to the Civic Si, the MS3, Hyundai Genesis Coupe (also RWD), etc.
No, the "there's no replacement for displacement" guys won't be buying these, but they can go ahead and buy the V8's. However, a turbo-4 that significantly increases sales is a win-win for everyone. It helps to subsidize the sale of the relatively low-volume V8's like the base Mustangs always have so they're still around for the people who want them. Everyone's happy.
10/5/09, 08:19 PM
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I myself wouldn't mind owning a EcoBoost 4 cyl Mustang in the future, as long as the engine is stout enough to handle extra psi. of boost. 
10/10/09, 06:11 PM
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I have a tuned 08 GT and a 06 Mazdaspeed 6 with a DI turbo 4 with around the same 300hp. Except for burnouts at the stoplights, the Mazda is much more fun to drive. The instant torque is a blast. I wouldn't be upset if Ford offered a turbo 4 with modern engine managment in the Mustang as an option.
10/11/09, 04:31 PM
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Because turbo 2.0s making 250 hp are all near GT pricing. I want an inexpensive mustang! They are currently too DAM expensive, and going to get worse when the new engines come online (unless ford has some not before seen magic they are going to use).
Hyundai has a RWD, 6 speed, IRS equipped sport coupe with 4.0 v6 like power and torque starting at 22K which is already well equipped. A mustang with the same set up would stomp the current 6 and be a great entry level tuner. Not to mention at 210 ford would have a lot less to worry about in terms of reliability.
Hyundai has a RWD, 6 speed, IRS equipped sport coupe with 4.0 v6 like power and torque starting at 22K which is already well equipped. A mustang with the same set up would stomp the current 6 and be a great entry level tuner. Not to mention at 210 ford would have a lot less to worry about in terms of reliability.
2.0L turbo, 260 HP, 260 TQ, price = $24,120, and that includes brembo brakes... If "General Motors" aka "Government Motors" can do it, why can't ford... Same motor is also used in HHR, $23,535, and the soon to be extinct soltice and sky.
The price of stuff does not go down, it always goes up, its called inflation. And you get what you pay for...
10/12/09, 01:15 PM
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Cobalt SS, and its not GT $ territory
2.0L turbo, 260 HP, 260 TQ, price = $24,120, and that includes brembo brakes... If "General Motors" aka "Government Motors" can do it, why can't ford... Same motor is also used in HHR, $23,535, and the soon to be extinct soltice and sky.
The price of stuff does not go down, it always goes up, its called inflation. And you get what you pay for...
2.0L turbo, 260 HP, 260 TQ, price = $24,120, and that includes brembo brakes... If "General Motors" aka "Government Motors" can do it, why can't ford... Same motor is also used in HHR, $23,535, and the soon to be extinct soltice and sky.
The price of stuff does not go down, it always goes up, its called inflation. And you get what you pay for...
, although $24K is still higher then I would like to see. Inflation is the enemy of affordability. If ford want to price the mustang out of the traditional market, then that argument is fine. IF they want to keep it an every man's pony car then they have to stave off inflation and find some way of lowering the price. $500 a month for a V6 is well beyond the average American's $38K annual wages. that is typically more then half of the average mortgage in middle America. The common rebuttal for this is to offer a longer term loan. By doing this ford would drive down future sales as people will be unable to trade their car in on a new one for at least one more year due to the negative equity carried over. So Ford, either you have to find a way to beat inflation, or move the mustang out of the market it has been in for nearly 50 years.
10/12/09, 01:16 PM
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Anybody know if the 2.0T in the Genesis Coupe is one made by the Auto alliance that was started by Mitsubishi, Chrysler, and Hyundai?
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10/12/09, 01:20 PM
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of course it is not set up exactly the same, but has the potential of reaching near 300 horses. my only beef...why do they always test the top level. Price as tested was nearly what a GT mustang would cost.http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
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10/12/09, 02:41 PM
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... but yeah, it's from the same engine family as the Evo's engine.
10/12/09, 05:39 PM
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The Tiburon also uses the same GEMA platform engine, only NA. It's a stout motor. One guy here was spraying 200 horses onto one without blowing it.
10/14/09, 02:47 PM
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Entry level 2.0 Turbo with 210hp 6 speed IRS @ 22K Correct
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K Nope GT w/400 hp V6 twin turbo IRS
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K Nope 5.0 @ 550 twin turbo IRS GT500
V4 - 3200lbs V6 - 3400 V8 - 3600
V4 - 32 MPG V6 - 30MPG V8 - 26MPG
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K Nope GT w/400 hp V6 twin turbo IRS
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K Nope 5.0 @ 550 twin turbo IRS GT500
V4 - 3200lbs V6 - 3400 V8 - 3600
V4 - 32 MPG V6 - 30MPG V8 - 26MPG
12/13/09, 05:50 PM
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Entry level 2.0 Turbo with 210hp 6 speed IRS @ 22K Correct
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K Nope GT w/400 hp V6 twin turbo IRS
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K Nope 5.0 @ 550 twin turbo IRS GT500
V4 - 3200lbs V6 - 3400 V8 - 3600
V4 - 32 MPG V6 - 30MPG V8 - 26MPG
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K Nope GT w/400 hp V6 twin turbo IRS
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K Nope 5.0 @ 550 twin turbo IRS GT500
V4 - 3200lbs V6 - 3400 V8 - 3600
V4 - 32 MPG V6 - 30MPG V8 - 26MPG
12/14/09, 10:05 AM
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Entry level 2.0 Turbo with 210hp 6 speed IRS @ 22K Correct
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K Nope GT w/400 hp V6 twin turbo IRS
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K Nope 5.0 @ 550 twin turbo IRS GT500
V4 - 3200lbs V6 - 3400 V8 - 3600
V4 - 32 MPG V6 - 30MPG V8 - 26MPG
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K Nope GT w/400 hp V6 twin turbo IRS
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K Nope 5.0 @ 550 twin turbo IRS GT500
V4 - 3200lbs V6 - 3400 V8 - 3600
V4 - 32 MPG V6 - 30MPG V8 - 26MPG
V6 twin turbo with 400 horsepower with IRS would price out around $40,000 assuming similar pricing from a SHO; Hardly Mid level.
I presume you were not thinking $30K for the 550 TT GT500 either, as that would probably more like 50-60K.
The point in my line up was to keep mustangs affordable, not put them beyond the reach of anyone.
Although... I did not include the GT500 in my lineup.
I guess if you include the GT500 in my line up it would go
Entry level 2.0 Turbo with 210hp 6 speed IRS @ 22K
Mid level V6 with 300 hp 6 speed and IRS@ 25K
Then bring in the 5.0 @ 400 for 30K
GT500 with S/C 5.0 @ 550 for 45K
