Lol... When someone that people like on the forums calls you out for trolling, you backpedal pretty quickly.

BTW, I remember that you have a problem with where I live...which really only makes you look like a child.

 

Am I the only one excited about the new improvements to the existing 5.0? This should provide some excellent "Factory Bolt-Ons" for us Gen I Coyote guys.

 

Which improvements are bolt-on?
I am excited about the new version of the Coyote but as an '11 owner, I'm pretty sure they wont help me out. New heads/connecting rods, etc...not what I think of as bolt-on.

 

Just to chime in, I'd rather have the tech as well. The new C7 Corvette has the rev-matching feature - does this make the C7 a girly car? I don't know why so many here are against it, especially if it can be turned off. What's the big deal? Don't like it - turn it off. Would you be angry even if it was an option? Is there this much outrage against ABS?


I'm still talking about driving a manual with a real clutch, so it's not like I want the car driving (or parking) itself. But I honestly don't see how the rev-matching software is a bad thing, just like I don't see ABS or Traction Control as bad things.

 

Forged and rebalanced means capable of holding more hp without blowing up. Right now the stock 5.0L is at max around 550hp before you really have to consider blowing it up. Really hoping the new one can hold about 700 or so.

 

I think it depends on what you want. I don't think "girly" is what is meant here. I view it as they/we want the raw feel of the car. Feeling the weight of the clutch. Having a bit of a notchy feel when shifting. Jamming gears when at the drag strip is simply invigorating. You feel the torque more that way IMO. True, auto tranny's are important to guys and gals that are looking for that consistent shift at the drag strip, but it's so much more fun with a manual tranny. How about the feel at a road course? No comparison in my eyes in fun factor compared to paddles. I'm not against a rev-matching feature, but I want to be able to turn it off. Same goes for traction control.

 

Like I said at first, use your foot. How is that so difficult that someone needs a rev match by a computer?? Are some of you really that lame? Most people enjoy blipping the throttle.

 

The gear box is not in alignment with the cup holders!!! That makes me so excited

 

I guess you're not getting the point...


I've been to 6 track days at road courses now, with hundreds of laps on tracks such as Lime Rock and Watkins Glen. I know how to heel-and-toe and blip the throttle.


I've also driven on the tracks with Traction Control both on and off, and think you're actually better with it ON. I had former IndyCar driver Bill Prout as an instructor, and his advice was to leave the driving aids ON. The reason is that you can focus on techniques that actually make you faster, rather than being out of control.


Now, if you're a professional race car driver, you might prefer to leave all driving aids OFF. And that's the beauty of the Mustang's implementation - if you don't like the aids, you just TURN THEM OFF...


Why knock the folks who like having driving aids available, IF they want them?

 

Perhaps using the word, "Vitriol" was a slight exaggeration to make a point. If that usage was a minor overstatement, MEA CULPA. However clearly when a poster stated excitement about technology that you find less than appealing, your response was less than warm. You seemed to feel no openess to the possibility that his point of view was just as valid as yours. Clearly it approached vitriol.

My second post was clearly tongue in cheek, as saying someone should drive a prius or 6 cylinder camaro is hardly an insult. I have no doubt there are some pretty amazing human beings in either of these cars cars. Further I feel like I hardly have to state the very obvious, telling someone to drive a fusion is not at all similar to calling one's mother a *****. Not that Whoring isn't a perfectly valid life choice. OK it's a pretty sucky choice, but you get the point.

All of that said, I have nothing but respect for your excitement about driver involvement. I also have respect for people who have excitement about how new tech allows us to wring even more performance out of modern cars.

Porsche, Ferrari, Lambos, Mercedes, Corvettes.... all have made advancements in modern transmissions. And I would happily drive the wheels off them.

 

Fair enough.

I'm obviously not enthusiastic about one of the last American driver's cars being turned into Euro stuff with all the bells and whistles. And there are many Mustangers that agree.

 

Maybe my definition of "bolt on" is a little different than yours. The high port revised heads really tickle my fancy. They come with larger valves and better cams.

 

These updates make me wonder what kind of horsepower a new stock coyote will be able to handle

 

On a pushrod engine....i consider the heads a bolt on.
On the 4v's negative ghost rider. Not much simple to bolt onto that. And for the cost of what the complete heads will probably go for, not gonna be a cheap mod. especially if you include new cams. Because Ford doesn't usually sell them with cams installed

 

Probably true. When I hear bolt-on, I think of I/H/E type mods...or even a blower...but yeah, the revised heads should offer some nice improvements...and a head swap certainly isn't the most difficult job. It looks like it should be possible without pulling the motor at least.

Would the new heads require a custom ECU?

Oh yes...I wonder the same thing. Assuming the internals are significantly stronger, and that the new axles/u-joints are up to the job, it stands to reason that the new bottleneck will be the rubber on the pavement.

 

BTW, unless I missed something, the litterature doesn't seem to mention anything about new pistons...so we're getting the same hyperutectic pieces from the outgoing version of the motor?

If so, will they be the coated variety?

 

You could be correct, but maybe they will announce a different piston later on to maintain excitement.

 

My 7 year old niece has a nicer I pad than I do.. New generations and technology..Get used to it...

 

^true, but does that mean we can't have nanny off buttons? I think that's all were saying..options to turn tech off if we don't care for it.

 

If you say so, Nostradamus.