Ricochet

Rocky,
Oh, wow - I didn't realize the ADM was up to $20k! I see better now what you are saying, so a Roush Stage 3 might actually be the better route to go.


My dealer sales all their cars at invoice price - I'm getting my GT (left assembly plant yesterday - awaiting shipment) at that price. I wonder if they would do a GT350 at that price?

ford20

GT350R hands down. It is in a class all of its own without a shadow of a doubt. Sure, the RS3 is faster in a straight line but throw in the corners and regardless of its suspension which has one way adjustable coilovers (probably a rebound adjustment), you are probably going to be around 1-3 seconds off the lap time of the R with amateurs racing them. After 6 laps you are 6-18 seconds behind the guy in the R. Now the 350 with the track pack is probably a bit closer than that but with the RS3 you are still only getting a supercharged mustang with coilovers that's about it.

With the GT350R you are getting the Voodoo engine with the 3160 transmission, Carbon fiber wheels, stickier tires, magnaride shocks with all sorts of different goodies in the suspension, active aero and a lighter car by at the very least 150lbs. GT350R > Roush RS3

The pricing on the RS3 looks to be around 66k for the "bare bones" RS3 and the around 71k for the fully loaded ones. That is R territory with ADM attached to it. Even so now that the hot rush is over ADM's seem to be dropping from what I have read. Cars that once had 8 or 9k ADM are now going for 5k ADM which means if you play your waiting game it will continue to go down to MSRP. Not to mention if you hunt around you can find dealers selling cars for MSRP. It looks like out of 20 people on Boss Mustangs Online 5 people paid No ADM on their R's and 8 people paid No ADM on the 350. Deals are out there, you just have to hunt for them.

m05fastbackGT

JP,

Not all dealerships will mark them up that high, but some will depending on how many are allocated.. For example if a certain dealership is only allocated 1-2 units by Ford to sell ? Then chances are they'll be looking to make as much of a profit as they possibly can, especially if they're a low volume Ford dealership to begin with..

However just as Sean mentioned in his post.. Some may sell them at MSRP or just slightly above, therefore I do agree where he's coming from when he mentions that you just need to hunt around and look for the best deals..

I also agree with Sean's post regarding the Roush stage 3 and depending on what package you end up getting ? by the time it's all said and done, it's very possible you'll be approaching GT350R territory anyhow..

So I suppose in this scenario, the stage 3 Roush may not necessarily be the better route to go after all, especially when it boils down to the GT350's 5.2L Voodoo engine vs the Roush supercharged 5.0L Coyote..

All I know for certain is this.. There are no dealership's within my local area who will sell the GT350/GT350R at MSRP.. However in your situation, if your dealership is a high volume Ford dealership ? perhaps they'll be willing to offer you a really good deal, as it certainly doesn't hurt to ask

Ricochet

Good points by Sean.


I wish I had the money to truly entertain the cost of a GT350/GT350R. I'm doing good by wife just letting us buy a GT Premium.


My dealer is a fairly low volume dealer, so it would be interesting to see if they have been allotted one or two. If so, for how much. I will ask when I pickup my GT soon (can't wait!).

rm2000

Having owned multiple Roush cars, I'll never own one again. They are very attractive, well performing cars but their clubs / groups leave a lot to be desired (the Roush Road Crew included has been wrought with turmoil for years) and - let's face it - we all get bored with cars from time to time and I have gotten completely hosed every time with a Roush car - even my latest which was a sub 20k mi. less than 1000 produced S3 cars of that year with every single option from Roush. If it would've been a Terminator, I could've easily commanded 30% more and gotten every penny. Roush's insistence on not getting the cars valued in the guides as Roush cars don't help, either.

DarrenGT

i would love the Grey/white GT350R.

I think i may have found the s550 that i like.

ford20

Even with the upgraded suspension components which is just going from a one way adjustable coilover to a 3 way adjustable coilover, I still don't see it being close to an R. Remember, the R was something like 1.2 seconds ahead of the Z/28 which has put to shame many of the worlds best performance cars and would certainly beat the RS3 even with the 3 way adjustable coilovers in my opinion. From Roush's site, all the RS3 gets suspension wise are just coilovers which are probably there to adjust the ride height.

PJRManagement

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And let's not forget that new racing braking system in the GT350 (and R), that could stop a train. 15" rotors, drilled, two-piece, floating design. 6-pots in front, 4-pots in rear. Oh my! Would probably cost $10k (or more) alone.

Stage_3

BINGO!!!
Killer set up.

laserred38

Same setup the regular SS has now. Magnaride shocks too.

PJRManagement

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Really? I don't think the SS has 6-pots in front. And I don't think they're 15". And I don't think they are two-piece floating design. These are big details.

Mustang Freak

Well the R I drove had crazy awesome brakes!

laserred38

Guy at work traded his Gen 5 V6 RS for a Gen 6 SS. It has 15" rotors, same 6-Pistons as the GT, two piece slotted rotors stock. 4-piston rears, as they've had since 2009.

ford20

The 2016 Camaro uses 4 piston Brembos just like it always has.

The setup on the GT350 is way different than anything on a Camaro Z/28 included. It utilizes a two piece floating rotor as mentioned but it is not connected to the hat via fasteners like most 2 piece designs but rather via pins that extend off the hat to allow the actual rotor to expand as the brake heats up to prevent warping and the fading of brake performance.

Then the 6 piston design is different than that on the Z/28 most notably when you look at the way the pads come out. The pads may be interchangeable but that I don't know to be honest.

laserred38

The GT350 design is interesting, and different, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here. The SS standard brakes are 4-piston. But the optional brake package is pretty much straight from the Z/28. That's nothing to sneeze at, and it's still better than the PP brake package for the standard GTs.

tom281

Not speaking of anyone in this thread just making a general statement..... There's going to be a lot of upset 350 owners when the SS starts hitting the street and track. Not necessarily the 350R's but I believe the 350 owners are going to wonder what happened.

laserred38

I agree. The design, inside and out, still does nothing for me. And it's a Chevy. But the performance cannot be overlooked, especially stock. I really hope Ford steps their game up with the S550 refresh.

tom281

I agree, I don't like it and would buy a 350 a hundred times before buying a SS but the performance for a stock, non-SE car is remarkable.

laserred38

It would be hard for me to justify the GT350 at $50k plus, since there's none around here anywhere near MSRP. The SS is giving the same performance at $37k. In a straight line, my current car easily matches the GT350 in a straight line.

Now I'm sure that new Tremec feels a lot better, and the 8200rpm redline is cool.

m05fastbackGT

I also don't care for the design either.. Despite being on the lighter Alpha platform, the Camaro still doesn't appeal to me from an appearance point of view in which very little has changed, as I see more of a recycled refresh rather than an all new redesign.. IMHO the Camaro still has the basic lines and overall body shape of the outgoing 5th gen along with the same old rear visibility blind spot issues..

With that being said ! I'd still rather have the GT350 or GT350R over the SS/ Z/28 hands down