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Old Jan 30, 2014 | 07:20 PM
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the Hurricane was designed 7 litre capable for some reason. wether they were consdering the 427/428/429 recognition, who knows... My guess would be BOSS429 if anything.

All I'm saying, if no plans for a 7 litre, then why was the motor designed to that limit?
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Old Feb 1, 2014 | 07:36 PM
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I would agree with that notion, but CAFE standards are just about going to put an axe to larger displacement engines in smaller vehicles. This new generation of Mustang is going to be falling in line with less displacement and more turbocharging.

at this point the 6.2L is perfectly placed as a large truck engine. The engine just oozes torque down low like the 6.8L V10.

every time I drive one on a PDI it just makes my 5.4L 3V feel useless..
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Old Feb 1, 2014 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by B-Fox
I would agree with that notion, but CAFE standards are just about going to put an axe to larger displacement engines in smaller vehicles. This new generation of Mustang is going to be falling in line with less displacement and more turbocharging.

at this point the 6.2L is perfectly placed as a large truck engine. The engine just oozes torque down low like the 6.8L V10.

every time I drive one on a PDI it just makes my 5.4L 3V feel useless..
I wish Ford would really put some development money into this engine. I think if Ford really wanted to they could some pretty amazing things with the 6.2 to be honest.
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Old Feb 2, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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I just read yesterday in a car magazine (can't find it now) that there is rumor the standard 5.0 motor might be replaced with a revised Boss motor and might be bumped to 500hp for the standard 2015 GT. Anyone else read that? I sure would like to see pricing info.
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Old Feb 2, 2014 | 08:28 PM
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Ford has given some details on the new 5.0L, which will have a few of the Boss parts carrying into it and some new parts that will provide more power but has not stated how much more power we will see.
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Old Feb 3, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by elkk
I just read yesterday in a car magazine (can't find it now) that there is rumor the standard 5.0 motor might be replaced with a revised Boss motor and might be bumped to 500hp for the standard 2015 GT. Anyone else read that? I sure would like to see pricing info.
Hmm... I'd doubt that Ford would put forged internals in a regular mass production vehicle. I wouldn't be surprised though if parts from the track pack become standard. Maybe the new 2015 will have a new head on it though like the Boss.
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Old Feb 7, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ford4v429
the Hurricane was designed 7 litre capable for some reason. wether they were consdering the 427/428/429 recognition, who knows... My guess would be BOSS429 if anything.

All I'm saying, if no plans for a 7 litre, then why was the motor designed to that limit?

If it happens! More than likley wil be a 428 cobrajet.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 08:37 PM
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I could live with that !
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CCTking
The Boss was confirmed for production only through 11-14.
The B2 Boss was 2012 and 2013 only
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 03:11 AM
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Just my own experience, but often things are "overdesigned" to specifically build in contingencies for unforeseen parameters that get added later, usually by a marketing dickwad whose idea of designing something that will sell is essentially, "make the engineers do it and keep sending it back until we get the right response from the focus group."

Engine blueprints are much like this. For instance, the Trinity had a target of 650HP when SVT finally settled on performance requirements. The resulting SAE-rated 662HP is the result of "building in" some room for improvement, if you will, without pushing the block, heads, crank, etc., too close to the holy-****-this-will-blow-up-before-the-ink-on-the-warranty-is-dry point. It may be capable of producing an output of 7 liters, but that doesn't mean it's supposed to.

My opinion, I don't think any car maker--with very, very few exceptions--will ever produce in mass quantities an engine that displaces more than 5 liters by 2020. I would be absolutely shocked if Ford produced anything bigger than the Coyote--that's designed for something other than their trucks--ever again. The trend is small, green, economical power. The automakers aren't being given much of a choice.

It's why so very badly want to get my hands on a '69 or '70 Mach 1. Aside from being arguably the most beautiful car mankind ever has or ever will produce, the engine was big. It will be a gorgeous dinosaur right next to my 2013 GT500 dinosaur in my garage. Hopefully. Maybe. One day.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 03:51 PM
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Given that even the current 5.0 will essentially obliterate any mega motor from the sixties, I don't see the need to go any larger. Lash on a pair of turbos and, well, I don't see lack of power as being the limiting performance factor. Even with the current GT500, the limiting factor seems to be its (in)ability to fully utilize its available power.

I think the must fruitful gains in performance will be to greatly enhance that ability to fully utilize even current HP levels, thus, I think the S550's greatly enhanced chassis is a well considered approach.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 06:07 PM
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The 2015 GT can beat the 2013 BOSS 302: What’s impressive is that the 2015 Mustang GT is said–according to the same interview with Dave Pericak–to have the speed and quickness to beat the 2012-2013 Boss 302 around the track.
The 2015 GT uses parts from the BOSS 302: In fact, the new GT has many of the same parts internally as the Boss 302, a on a lighter, shorter and wider platform. Even if the GT receives only a mild bump in horsepower when compared to the S197 Coyotes, there will undoubtedly be a significant performance upgrade over the 2014s, you’ll just have to look past simple power ratings to see it.
Independent Rear Suspension and a new front suspension: With that aside, back to talking about the IRS. Early in the car’s development, it became clear to the Ford engineers that the front suspension they’d borrowed from the 2014 Mustang GT was not going to be able to keep up with the abilities of the new IRS. This called for a redesign of the front suspension geometry that resulted in a double ball joint and full subframe construction in the front of the car. This, according to Ford, has resulted in a more precise, accurate feel and improved all-around handling.
Exact Horsepower Numbers: As of right now, the unconfirmed numbers have the EcoBoost 4 cylinder at 305HP, the V6 dialed down to 300HP and the GT somewhere in the range of 435HP from the factory. Like the weight specs, these numbers have not been confirmed by Ford, but have surfaced in a number of rumors and mentions lately. Like the car’s weight, they’re still getting these numbers finalized before making news.
http://blog.americanmuscle.com/2015-...n=fbpost262014
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 12:12 AM
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I don't know if it's speculation or planned and it's quite a bit obvious but applying to the 2015 and previous generations it's funny how the new generation always seems to be so much better than the previous model! Great stuff!!

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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SONICBOOST
I don't know if it's speculation or planned and it's quite a bit obvious but applying to the 2015 and previous generations it's funny how the new generation always seems to be so much better than the previous model! Great stuff!!
Hopefully so, as I think is the case now! Can't wait to actually get some drive/performance reports/#s.
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 09:28 AM
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You have to think too.
The 5L is a baby compared to the 4.6MOD.

It'll be interesting to see in its lifespan what it can do.
Requirements change over time though, so it'll be interesting to see how things progress and how they react to change.

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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 04:09 PM
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Might be heresy, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a Mustang lineup completely devoid of a V8 by 2020, with the possible exception of a special edition SVT model.
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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
You have to think too.
The 5L is a baby compared to the 4.6MOD.

It'll be interesting to see in its lifespan what it can do.
Requirements change over time though, so it'll be interesting to see how things progress and how they react to change.

I wonder if Ford will ever get away from the 100mm bore spacing? Going to wider bore spacing would allow for better flowing heads.


Originally Posted by kcoTiger
Might be heresy, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a Mustang lineup completely devoid of a V8 by 2020, with the possible exception of a special edition SVT model.

I would think this the future as well, especially if the F-150 V8 take rate becomes scarce. Trucks are the primary reason there are still V8 passenger cars.


While government regulations have a strong effect on what is available consumer demand is more powerful. If the next generation of Mustangers see V8's as antiquated tech then there will be no V8 engine.

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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kcoTiger
Might be heresy, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a Mustang lineup completely devoid of a V8 by 2020, with the possible exception of a special edition SVT model.
It's all about consumer demand but I can see this happening! Hence one of the reasons why gas prices have gone up. To phase out the v8s and bring on the more,"economic" vehicles. The rated mpg of the current 5.0 is pretty impressive. Which brings up what Boomer said, "It will be interesting to see how they react to change".

Edit- the answer is the 4 cyclinder ecoboost...

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Old Feb 10, 2014 | 11:59 PM
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I think it would be The Mustangs demise if they phase out a v8 in the future. At keast older model sales will skyrocket (which may mean increased price and value). Also i hope we dont get the fresh new model in 2015 and then a whole new motor line-uo the following year the 10-11 had. I felt really bad for the 2010 owners. Just bought the newewst S197 rendition and then the next year they start rollin animals off the assembly line.
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kcoTiger
Might be heresy, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a Mustang lineup completely devoid of a V8 by 2020, with the possible exception of a special edition SVT model.
Part of the equation of Mustang is 'V8'
Ford know this, it's been said over and over. And the V8s demise has been feared for generations.

I would HOPE that Ford would use their effort to continue to carry that forward in the future cars. I have little doubt that it will disappear anytime soon. Change, maybe...disappear..no.
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