New gen Boss 351 or 429 ?

 

Extremely doubtful.

Unless the current GT500's 5.7 carries over for a little while, the strongest motor will likely be some twin turbo varient of the current 5.0 mill.

My guess is that there will be a GT350, slotting in where the Boss 302 left off, with a slightly enlarged, perhaps flat-crank hot rodded version of the 5.0 with the GT500 carrying on as the Mustang halo car with the aforementioned TT Coyote mill.

 

The Boss was confirmed for production only through 11-14.
While it would be cool to see an modern interpretation of another old school edition id really REALLY like to see a new model. Its the 50th anniversary. New car aimed for global domination. I think its time for a new special edition

 

Unfortunately, the only way I could see that happening is if Ford used the numbering/naming convention of the Olds 442, and I don't see that happening anytime soon, though it would be a fun game to figure out what each represented, ie (3)tripple piston calipers, 5 liter engine, 1....steering wheel?

 

3.0L turbo 500hp 1 badass ride

4.6L 2 turbo 900 hp potential

 

No. I think if Ford was ever going to do a BOSS 351 or 429 they would have done it with the more retro 2005-2014 body style. Just my opinion

 

Yeah, I think Ford, rightfully, is looking much more forward than backwards with the 2015.

 

But they have to come out with something to combat the Z/28 I've heard about a new Mach 1.

 

Yea they redid the copyrights or something for Mach 1. But the was never really a track car like the Z28. If anything a Parnelli Jones or Iacocca would work better

 

the trinity 5.8L leaves the door open for a 351 nameplate, a high compression naturally aspirated trinity would make a good case for a Boss 351.

Awkward naming schemes aside, the 429 is much less plausible, unless someone manages to stuff an s550 with something resembling Don Bowles punched out 6.2L prototype. Cast iron block and 2 valve heads make it even less likely.

 

The 5.8 needs a cylinder head update for NA duty. Its fine for a supercharged engine given the TiVCT is spelled TVS but the heads don't flow as well as the Coyote heads and the lack of variable valve would impact power.

 

Given the rather modest .8l greater displacement over the Coyote 5.0, I think it would be hard to justify a completely different motor in addition to the Coyote. If Ford does add a larger V8, I'd imagine it would be a larger version of the Coyote as has been rumored.

 

bob makes an excellent point, at this point those heads are very outdated. but the whole engine is really, the 4.6/5.4 architecture is pretty much done and over with as a whole.

I don't see a larger displacement coming into play beyond a PTWA'd 5.0 which should weigh in around 5.3L. I don't think they will make the mistake of the 5.4L again and make a tall deck 5.0L. The 5.4 was out of proportion to be a sports car engine.

the 6.2L is no sports car engine either, at this point what we have to look forward to is whatever "voodoo" they can work on the 5.0L(pun intended and accentuated)

 

A tall deck coyote would seem like the better choice but then again this is Ford and I find their engine choices baffling at times.


Ford made a pretty good choice with the 4.6 and 5.4 but then screwed it up with the small differences between Romeo and Windsor variations or on older push rod engines the small differences in things like the head bolts on the Windsor V8s not to mention when they are in full swing in the 70's you had no less than four different V8 engines (Windsor, Cleveland, FE and 385 V8's ).

 

As long as they could juggle the bore (PTWA) and stroke to get to 5.8 liters I wouldn't mind a tall deck coyote. The 5.4 prior to PTWA just didn't have enough bore to avoid an insane amount of stroke for a high revving engine not to mention being an under-square engine which places more demand on the cylinder heads.


You can obviously squeeze 5.8 liters out of a coyote now but the rod/stroke ratio isn't all that great and the pistons have to really ride low out of the bores to get there thus the reason I wouldn't mind a tall deck version so a proper rod/stroke ratio can be maintained and the pistons can also avoid riding to far down the bore.


Hopefully when Ford does a clean sheet design they can leave the MOD motor's bore spacing in the dust bin as well, just going from the current 92.2mm bore to around 100mm bore or so could net enough increase in airflow to add another 5-10hp with the same displacement and all other things being equal to the current coyote V8.


That added real estate would also allow for better cylinder head architecture as well (bigger valves and better ports) so the increase in power could be greater.

 

well the 6.2L was designed to get out of the bore spacing stranglehold, perhaps when there's a company wide push for direct injection we will see some new cylinder head designs?

The 6.2 has been a bullet proof engine so far, a short deck aluminum block with sleeves could bring displacement down. I just don't know if there'd be room by the time they slather it with cams and phasers..

V8s are unfortunately a dying breed at this point anyhow, with CAFE regulations looming I don't see anyone being able to make a case to management to green light a larger displacement aside from Ford Racing and the Cobra Jet program.

 

I just don't see Ford sinking much money, time or resources into what are basically outgoing engines, particularly the Mod motor. Maybe the 5.7 as a stopgap motor until Ford gets some Egoboost 5.0 on deck, but that's about it. Turning the 6.2 into a viable HiPo Mustang motor would be a far more daunting endeavor.

My guess, given various rumors, is that the top dog motors will be a 5.x flat crank (GT 350) and a TT 5.x (GT500) with perhaps some mildly tweaked 5.0s for any SEs.

 

Someone posted naming and or order codes from Ford that leaked showing Shelby GT350. I believe that will be out for the 2016 model to combat the Z28.. Right?


Btw when did the SS and Z28 flip flop? I thought back in the mid to late 90s when soccer moms were running Ford and we were getting our **** pushed in by the Camaro, the SS was top dog?

 

Yes. They will be a Shelby GT350 and later on, a Shelby GT500.

 

When somebody at Chevrolet realized that had a metric crap ton of equity built up in the Z/28 name.


The prior SS cars were supposed to be analogous to the SVT and SRT brands but it was a pretty weak effort on GM's part with their most solid effort being the Cobalt SS followed by the Camaro SS (by dint of its BFG tires and suspension tuning the F4 Camaro SS was able to lap Milford faster than the C4 Corvette). ThenGM did its damnedest to dilute the SS brand with a lot of weak sauce cars like the Malibu SS.