R1V3R5

This guy is full of it.

Ford, who is based in Michigan and has proving grounds there, went to California to see a focus group to review the new Mustang? Really? And they are releasing a Ecoboost V8? Really? And he never had to sign a waiver? Really?

Nope. This guy is an attention ***** and is feeding a load of B.S.

Edit: Looks like the original thread on AFM got deleted.

Overboost

I'm shocked that these guys can't remember much, but I believe they saw something. Also, I'm shocked there wasn't an NDA signed before viewing. I don't think it was all for attention.

R1V3R5

People are so eager to learn about the next generation Mustang that they will believe anything. I don't believe that guy at all. But if I'm wrong I will certainly eat a large slice of humble pie.

P.S. Your car looks awesome with those rims. Very, very sharp.

Boomer

I don't think they are full of it.

Some questions are about what they see, hear, etc.
And some are about future products or trying to get an idea of what the customer thinks of an idea. This doesn't mean the 'widget' is true, its more to gauge reaction, or see how the customer reacts.

EcoBoost V6 was raised on a prior focus group in questions, but we see that we never saw that for the previous gen at all.
This could mearly be a 'would you' question.

This though, I too am suprised about no NDA.
Or... he wasn't telling the truth about one, and now that's why the thread went the way of Jimmy Hoffa.

Wonder if the sharks are swimmin'

R1V3R5

Is suspicious the thread is gone.

four-walling

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...d-deleted.html

Overboost

Because aliens.

Boomer

Don't know what you are talking about....

That is a funny place to hang a piano.....

97GT03SVT

The description of the tail lamps sounds like a combination of the current lights with the louvered look of the 1999-04 lamps.

Clino

Well that's interesting. Anyone know if the two dudes that were posting over there have posted since the thread was deleted or said anything about it? Most of the important stuff is still on Jalopnik or here anyway. Actually it's more or less a good thing since it lends a lot of credibility to their info.

laserred38

I'm pretty sure I've said this before...

2.0T EcoBoost base model $21k 250hp 35mpg
3.5TT V6 mid range $25k 350hp 31mpg
5.0 V8 upper range GT $30k 450hp 27mpg
5.0TT or 5.8SC $50k 600hp 24mpg

All base prices. Leaves plenty of room for SEs in between GT and Shelby. I could see the NA 3.7 V6 staying though, and 3.5TT as a SE.

Overboost

If they sold over 150k units per year maybe. Three engines total.

Base
GT
SVT

Phase one of Ecoboost appears to be adding DI and turbos to existing engine architecture. The next step is designing smaller engines with this at the start to maximize fuel economy and reduce weight by shrinking the size of the motor itself. The 1.6, 2.0, and 3.5 were around or close to release before the big Ecoboost push came around. Now we've seen or heard about a 1.0, 2.3, and others that are smaller and producing similar power figures from the older ones. My point is, don't expect turbos on everything. The volume of a 5.0 V8 is significantly less than any of these motors mentioned.

Boomer

If current trends are showing of downsizing engines and turbocharging them....
...I'd expect the same for the V8s at some point in the future.

This is why I think we'll see V8s for a long time, just maybe not as big as they used to be. Fine by me if they are reliable and can pound out the power. I wouldn't expect that till the current crop of engines have run their course. And since the 5L is so new and efficient...that could be a while

Overboost

BMW seems to be doing just fine with this approach. A 4-4.5L TT DI V8 would be a monster if done right.

laserred38

Agreed. And don't forget the European market though. Ford sold ~150k Mustangs in 2005, in North America alone. With Europe, and a lower displacement base model, I expect 200k global sales easy. Because I guarantee an export to Australia and Asia too...

Twin Turbo

I don't usually buy the conspiracy theories...........but that thread was a little strange.

I completely believe that the first chap went to the event..........but when the second fella turned up, it was as if they were discribing different cars.....one had a front end similar to the '13 Mustang, the other looked just like a Fusion. One had all red taillights, the others were "black like the '13". Either there were 2 "concepts" or I smell a rat!

I know it doesn't really matter......but I wonder if the second guy was actually someone from the market research company (or Ford) who tried to confuse things before they could get the thread pulled.

You can bet any future customer clinics are going to be having tightend security.......not to mention a bunch of lawyers being present


(BTW, if I get invited to an event, I promise I'll be a good boy and not spill any secrets on here )

Wolfsburg

It did occur to me that perhaps one of them was actually looking at a '14 Mustang, perhaps with an upcoming appearance package, but I'd think surely he'd recognize it was the current generation car.

montreal ponies

db2797

Very, very interesting thread over there in more ways than one if you get my drift.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...mpetition.html

Fenderaddict2

The red rear 3/4 view is stunning.