I was hoping for more than 435/400 from the 5.0 with forged internals. Room to grow I guess

 

THIS. so much this. I liked his argument though but not really.

 

maybe another case of the engine being under rated

 

As the saying goes, "Speed costs money." There's no doubt that Ford can squeeze more power out of this engine, but the Mustang is not a Lamborghini. There are price targets that must be met. It's a tiny minority of buyers who will test drive this car and say, "No, not fast enough. I'd buy the car and pay several hundred dollars more if it had another 20hp."

 

My post from 12/11/2013

I wasn't to far off....

 

Man my DD is a Ford Fiesta ST, that thing has very little to no turbo lag. This 2.3L has a dual scroll turbo and my gut reaction is this thing is going to be punching way beyond its belt.

Dave

 

Need to take a look at average power when it becomes available. If the average power is higher across the board then the 2015 (provided it gives a better power to weight ratio and gearing is spot on) will be faster.

 

I found this to be a bummer...



The cat is integral to the header, going to make the cost of aftermarket headers a lot more if they have to integrate a nice 200cpi HJS cat.

dave

 

No sweat being as I live in Cali and can't really touch the headers or cats. That cat looks small though.

 

Just save the OEM parts, you don't have to smog the car for the first 5years. I live in Cali as well. My BMW M3 has removed primary cats replaced with testpipes and I am running a tune. I just have all the OEM parts and when it comes time to sell or smog I can do it.

Dave

 

A lot of the smog regs have changed. Is it still 5 years for a new car? If so that is good news.

 

It still is...also they are going to a non sniffer test. Just an OBD readiness test and you aren't pulling any codes.

Dave

 

435/400 is spot on for the improvements made. People look at a long list of new parts and assume big power. But they all work together. The bigger valves allow the new cams to gain anything at all. Which have an extremely small bump in lift and duration. We all know that even the cobra jet cams add very little power. The intake mani revision was mainly the valves that enhance the mpg's while cruising. And the rest are parts that improve the strength of the motor.

I think 15 hp all while also getting 10 tq is pretty amazing. And by no means too low or any more underrated than the motor already was.

That being said the curve could be very different. Peak numbers aren't the whole story.

 

So the long and short of it is that the '15 is heavier with no actual increase in power for the V6 and V8.

Under-stating power numbers in earlier models has come back to bite Ford in the butt, and I bet them Chevy guys are howling their collective asses off...

 

Actually there is a decrease in the power output of the V6 (if you had read the release). There is an increase in the power of the V8 with an increase in torque--which if you had read the release, gives the 2015 a better power to weight ratio than the outgoing 2014 GT. I think I will wait until I see some performance numbers--but Ford has already declared that the new GT will outperform the outgoing Boss 302. The long and short of it, sounds like Ford made a quick car even quicker.

 

I seriously doubt many will even buy the V6. There's two other more appealing choices.

 

Agreed. I have a 2012 V6 and while I'm really close to pulling the trigger on a 2015, I will not even consider the V6 this time around. I want to drive an EcoBoost model before I decide, but I'm about 75% sold on a GT.

 

The fact its only available in the lowest line without any TrackPak doomed it. I would actually consider it over the 2.3L Ecoboost but not the way they configured it.

Dave

 

Perhaps it will be relegated to secretaries only

 

Took the thought right out of my mind. Like the I6, the V6 fills that role and sells well to that demo.