'13-14 Cluster into '10-12 car (with TrackApps) retrofit
 

Does anyone know if the 13 cluster with track apps will work in our 11-12 gt's?

I have wondered this myself. I would first check to see if the wires in the plugs on a 10/12 match those for the 13.

You'd need to get the wiring diagrams for a 13 and 12 from a dealer. Ask for the diagrams to the connectors to the gauge cluster.

I'm already knee deep in retrofitting the nav into my 12, so I won't be tackling this anytime soon.

I cannot believe that nobody has tried this yet.

The first time I read the message topic, my initial thought was, "Why would anyone want/need 13 gauges in a gauge cluster?"

Then my brain aligned itself, and I understood what was intended. (A leading apostrophe would have helped, i.e. '13).

Now that I have retrofitted the OEM nav, I started to take a look at this.

To do this, not only do you need the new cluster, but you will need the steering wheel with the proper switches. Also the proper dash harness.

Too much money for me. I won't be pioneering this one.

This is the new switches on the steering wheel, by the way. These would be a new plug for these on the main dash harness.

http://www.muscularmustangs.com/gall...y_gt500_43.jpg

In for this one.

Switch portion won't be bad as its 50-80 bucks from the dealer. Cluster and harness is another thing.

I'll wait for a salvage to try this one!

Wonder if the new switches will fit in the old steering wheel?? Looks like they are close in size. Will have to take a closer look when I get home.

I started to look at this. I have some news.

The cluster connector for the 2012 vs the 2013 are the same. All wires between the 2 are the same.

I have confirmed that you do not need to buy the whole steering wheel. The buttons can be bought separate.

Part number is DR3Z 9C888 BA for the switches. Cost is ~$40.

Someone may want to confirm this.

I'm looking into the wiring to the buttons. I'll get back on this later.

Wow that sounds great

As long as track apps is separate component from cluster I would think it should work. Dealer will need to install your built as data in the cluster itself for it to work in your car.

Track apps is built into the cluster. I see nothing in the wiring diagrams. Everything in terms of wiring is exactly the same, with the exception of the wires going to the switches. If that is the case, then I would think that this will work.

The dealer seemed to think that Ford will not sell the cluster if your car didn't come with it. In the past, Ford would sell Mycolor clusters to 05-09 owners, though. So maybe they will. I haven't looked into this yet. However, I do know that Ford will NOT sell a factory nav to us unless our cars already have them, so there maybe truth to this.

I meant seperate logic board. I'm guessing track apps is a seperate component that is merely reading OBDII data and displaying it just like a tuner does on real time. If not then track apps would be disabled when the dealer loads your built as data into the cluster. when I installed a 2011 GT500 cluster in my 2010 GT it had the mykey feature. But when dealer reset PATS and loaded my built as data mykey was gone since no mykey in 2010.

I'm sure there's track apps clusters in salvage yards by now.

If that is the case, then you'd have to get a cluster from a wreck and not touch PATS.

A new cluster with core here in Canada will be ~$1000. The US almost always is cheaper by 50% for some mysterious reason, though.

I'll look into this further and get back.

Dealer Gotta reset PATS or car won't start.

Then this may be what stops it from working in our cars? The wiring diagrams won't give me an answer.

And I extremely doubt if the service guys at the dealer will have a clue, either.

Someone will just have to try it and see.

The wires that go from the cluster to the message centre buttons (2 wires) will need to be rerouted to the steering wheel. The switches on the headlight module will become useless. I had thought the 2013 headlight swtch still had the message centre buttons? Can someone confirm this? The diagrams show that nothing is going to the headlight module anymore from the cluster.

Everything else is wired exactly the same.

Specifically, the wires from pins 6 and 4 on the connecter on the cluster normally go to the message centre buttons on the headlight switch module. These will be rerouted to the clockspring connector c2274a and use pins 3 and 11 which are unused in 2012. From there, they go to the new steering wheel switch. Simple.

That's it. Far less effort than retrofitting a factory nav - and I am still happy I did that, by the way.

Looking at pics online and on youtube, I see that there are 2013s with the cluster with the LCD screen that have buttons on the headlight switch module and some that don't.

I'm confused here.

I need help here. Is there more than one 2013 cluster with the LCD screen, and is this what determines if there is a headlight switch with buttons?

Can 2013 owners chime in?

Cheers

headlight switch with buttons?

The switch that turns on the headlights. Beside it is the dimmer switch. Below it are 3 buttons 'INFO', 'RESET' and something else. 2010 - 2012 cars have these. I am seeing pics of 2013 cars that have them and some that don't. I would like someone that has a 2013 with the LCD screen in the cluster to tell me if their car has those buttons.

it doesn't have them. all the controls are on the steering wheel. those that would have those buttons don't have trackapps/premium clusters.

OK, here is what I found at the dealership today.

Both cars had the LCD screen in the cluster, but 1 had no buttons on the headlight switch module, while the other car did. Again, both cars had the LCD screen. Can anyone tell me what the buttons are for?

Third pic is of the steering wheel switches. This is where the message centre buttons are relocated to from the headlight switch module.

Launch control... And maybe the adjustable damping?

Launch control makes sense.

The symbol is of a steering wheel, so I assumed it was to adjust the steering feel. But I assumed all Mustangs had this feature, and so it should not be optional? What option group is this from?

Anyone have this?

This shot has the middle button with a symbol that looks like a shock. Maybe the damping that you mentioned, but I wasn't aware that 2013s had the option of adjusting dampers from inside the cabin.

OK, looks like those buttons on the headlight switch module are for the Advance Trac Stability Enhancement System.

This system is only found on the 2013 - on Shelbys. LC is indeed launch control. The middle button is the adjustment for the Bilstein dampers and the right button is for steerintg feel. Danielle was right here.

So now I have my answer. This system is not needed (and not available) on regular Mustangs with the premium 2013 cluster.

This article is of interest. Proves there are no new sensors added in2013 to get track apps.

www.sae.org/mags/aei/10770

Link doesn't work for me

There's a guage cluster in eBay out of a 2013 but its a automatic. Does anyone know if the auto and manuals are different?

Hmm, I can't say why. I click on it and it works. Try typing it in manually.

As for the differences in the gauges, there is a difference between V6 and V8.

There is also a difference between GT, Boss and Shelby, but it is only in the gauge faces, to my understanding. Auto vs manual should make no difference.

Where did you see the cluster? Seems to be gone?

Someone on here prob bought that sucker right up. It had a buy it now of 179 with like 900 miles on the odo.

I assuming he is saying the INFO, RESET buttons.

I got a cluster out of California. A friend will be sending it up to me here in Canada.

I'm into this now. Guess we'll now find out if this will work or not from a 2013 to a 2012.

My guess is if you already have a 2013 base, this would work, though.

Maybe it will work with 2012 buttons under headlight switch without rewiring to steering wheel buttons.

FYI. To get past PATS issue and test cluster you can start car with original cluster. While car is running you can swap clusters and car willl stay running until you turn it off.

I tried this with mine when I purchased a GT500 cluster and it did not work for me.. I also had a pin broken, so that may have been the issue.

I remember that. It did work in my 2010 when experimenting with a gt500 cluster.

Did you get the cluster to work?

Yes. Had dealer reprogram PATS so cluster would start the car.

Well, that's promising, at least.

I'll have the wiring diagrams up later today for those that wanted to look at them.

Keep in mind you cannot change the odometer on the cluster. If you have a manual transmission car you can adjust the mileage over time. If Mileage is too low on the cluster ... just program your gear ratio and tire size to make it put mileage on faster and over time mileage will catch up .. you just have to do the math to determine at what point actual mileage and cluster mileage match. You can do the opposite if mileage is too high ....

Probably not good to do that in an Automatic car since shift points would probably be screwed up.

Dealer can't program in the mileage?

I remember tham doing that in my 05 when I switched up to a MyColor cluster.

Did you order your MyColor Cluster new for your 2005 swap? Dealer can order a cluster with specific mileage .. but they cannot change it ... unless things are different in Canada than USA.

Couldn't a speedometer shop reprogram the car to have the correct mileage?

I called several shops in my area .. none of them had the software that could do the new clusters ... Perhaps by now they can. No idea on the cost.

hmm... I may call around here locally and see whether anyone can.

Yes, I bought it new from the dealer.

Things aren't different - just more expensive.

Here are the wiring diagrams. They are matched up for easier comparison between 2012 and 2013.

Everything is the same except for the message center wires. There are only 2 wires coming out of pins 4 and 6 that go to the mesage center button on the head light switch. They instead need to go to the clock spring in the steering wheel and then onto the steering wheel message center buttons. Minor issue, and easily solved.

:popcorn:

Dealer said that they could program the new cluster, but the car has to be running. But then, the car won't start due to PATS? When I have time, I'll visit another dealer. Not convinced they knew what I was tallking about.

you need to go to dealer with both clusters. They need to do the swap as of they are doing a replacement with a new one. Ask them if they can reset PATS without uploading your built as data.

what do you mean "built as data" ?

The cluster is programmed according to the features of your car when it was built - I think.

I see. Well I can't wait to see this all be done! What is the ETA to try it?

My friend should be getting it tomorrow, and then depending on how quickly he can get his lazy a$$ to the post office, hopefully next week. I should be able to try this by the end of the month.

awesome! found a dealer that sounds like they might know what they are doing?

I haven't been looking. Been busy with work.

Cluster is in my friend's hands. Now I need him to atcually send it off to me, which is the really hard part.

ahhh can't wait to finally figure out if this works!

I'm getting silly excuses frm him like the USPS outlet by him only handles letters ... UPS needs open credit cards to send items etc ...

Anyone live in San Jose area?

I hope you find someone.. still getting silly excuses?

Unfortunately, I am still getting silly excuses. He will be coming up here in May for a wedding, but the chances of him bringing it then are low as well.

Getting frustrated with him. He doesn't want to go to the post office because he'll be in line for 2 hours ... :banghead: ... sure ...

Assuming you get this to work in your 2012, would the wiring be the same for a 2011?

Should be the same.

I am begging - is there anyone in the San Jose area that can get this package from my lazy *** friend and send it up to me? I can reimburse through paypal.

Has he seen a Post Office lately? Those things are dead. Nobody in em..
I'll ask another member here who lives in that area...

Much appreciated. Things are getting rediculous.

No problem. You and dmhines are two of my favorite modders :nice:

FYI .. Looks like I have located a 2013 GT cluster as well and should have it soon ... :) Looks like I need to order the steering wheel switch now. Gonna make sure the cluster and track apps kind sorta do something before I buy the switch though.

I wanna personally thank u guys for testing the waters on this. I hope it works.

Yeah I can't wait. Wish I had the free time to attempt it. But mine goes to getting my cobra back into one piece

Thanks for the compliments.

I have rigged it so UPS will pick up my cluster. I should have it next week. Switch ordered as well.

10MustangGT - let me know when you get yours so I can tell you how to wire up the switch. Your Switches on the headlight switch module will become non-functional, likely.

FYI .. I already have a tune in my car. Talked to the tuner .. they have never disabled PATS on a 2012 car .. but the option is available in the SCT software to do it. So .. once I get the cluster I will install a Tune with PATS disabled to see if car starts and Track Apps work ...

Yup, PATS concerns me. Keep us posted. I'mnot bothering to talk to the service guys at the dealer until I have my cluster in hand.

:popcorn: I hope this works guys :D

What concerns me about the PATS is what exactly needs to be done to reset the cluster to match the keys and PCM. I hope the Ford technician can reset the PATS but leave the code in the Cluster from the 2013 car that it came out of.

I think I said earlier. When I put a 2012 GT500 Cluster in my 2010 GT I told them to reset the PATS at the dealer. But he ended up Loading my 2010 Build data into the 2012 Cluster. This basically turned it into a 2010 Cluster. I do not know if the was a prerequistive to reprogramming the PATS or if he just did it or the heck of it.

Maybe just turning off PATS in the tune will suffice .. However ... my understanding is with PATS off in the PCM via a tune .. it will illuminate the warning light on the cluster.

I'll order the tune tomorrow .. and should have the Cluster on Friday.

how will the headlights be operated? and I won't be getting mine for a little while. funds are tight right now.. but once this works i will be attempting with a 2013 gt500 cluster!

Headlight wires wont be touched .. just the wires going to the reset/setup/info switches need to be moved to the steering wheel button.

If it all actually works and you want to make it look factory .. you could also order a 2013 Headlight switch without the setup buttons.

Been reading all the PATS documentation I can find online .. seems like it should be fairly simple for the tech to reset PATS without reloading the build data into the 2013 cluster.

They would need to:

1) Perform the PATS RELEARN procedure - this syncs the Cluster with the PCM
2) Peform the KEY RELEARN procedure - this syncs your keys to the Cluster.

I don't see any need to do anything besides those two steps.

Yup. There are 2 plugs going to the headlight switch, as we will be cutting the wires to one only. Or we could leave them and just tap into the wires and see if our original switches do anything. But right now, I'm just looking to see if this cluster works before I even look at that.

The part number for the 2013 headlight switch module is 9R3Z 11654 CA, but you may want to double check this.

You would have to get the steering wheel and cluster from a 13 correct if this works?

No, you can buy just the left side switches on the steering wheel, not the entire wheel itself.

What kind of build data is stored in the cluster? It seems like there's some concern about this being reset.

I think in 2012+ cars there was also a feature to adjust steering feel. Would swapping the cluster bring this feature to a 2011 car?

Well .. back in the old S197 days ... not all cars had Anti-Lock Brakes or Seat side airbags. Also V6 and V8 cars had different tach and speedo increments. So things like this had to be set in the Cluster so warning lights were not turned on incorrectly and needs were in right places.

I can tell you that when I put a 2012 Cluster in my 2010 it did not behave 100% properly. Perhaps that was due to my 2010 not having electronic adjustable steering and no MyKEY feature. So the dealer did have to reload my Build Data into the cluster and then everything work fine. Of course .. the MyKey feature and Adjustable Steering feature was no longer available in the settings display.

I doubt putting a 2012 Cluster in a 2011 car would add the feature .. but thats just a guess. You bring up a good point about 2011 not having adjustable steering .. since that may make it harder to get a 2013 cluster to work in a 2011 without reloading the build data.

As far as I know ... there is no difference in features between 2012 and 2013 so I see no reason to load 2012 build data into a 2013 cluster. And the biggest concern is that IF 2012 build data is loaded into the 2013 cluster .. will Track Apps be disabled??

I am concerned that the commands or signals used by the Steering wheel Buttons to control the Track Apps Display may not be recongnized on the 2012 Canbus ... that would really screw things up and make the swap impossible.

Also just talked to the Tuner ... I should have my PATS disabled tune by the end of today ...

There is one other thing I noticed, and I have to get the diagrams for it:

The steering feel on Shelbys is on a separate button along with damper setting and launch control. These buttons are located where our reset/info/set buttons are now.

It makes me wonder if steering feel setting is not through the cluster now?

https://themustangsource.com/attachm...1-12-dash3.jpg

http://mustangforums.com/stang-gauge-2-300x401.jpg
http://mustangforums.com/stang-gauge-3-300x401.jpghttp://mustangforums.com/stang-gauge-4-300x401.jpghttp://mustangforums.com/stang-gauge-5-300x401.jpg

Some screens that the cluster has.

Maybe someone with a 2013 could confirm if steering setting is done through the cluster?

Is the middle button even used? And on GT models. Do those buttons perform the same functions for like my color and things like that? Is it just the Shelby that gas the functions moved from the headlight buttons?

According to both the Quick Reference Guide and the owners manual ... all the functions currently controlled via the setup buttons on the 2012 are controlled from Track Apps Display on the 2013

Adjustable Steering Feel:
Choose between standard, sport, and comfort
steering feel option modes. Select the desired
mode from the informaton displays screen using
the 5-way steering wheel controls. Sport steering
feel offers a slight manual rack and resistence feel,
comfort steering feel requires less effort to steer the
vehicle. Standard mode is used for normal driving.

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pub.../13musom2e.pdf

That being the case, then I wonder why the Shelby has it as a separate button?

The middle button is damper adjustment, if the car is equiped with it.

I do not believe non Shelbys can be ordered with these features. This photo shows the damper adjustment.
https://themustangsource.com/attachm...1-12-dash4.jpg

My Guess is since GT500 is race car .. putting those buttons there make steering and suspsension adjustments much quicker than cycling through the Track Apps display.

It's *possible* that 2011s might have the ability to adjust the steering but it was left off in production. I thought I remember reading about adjustable steering before the 2011s came out, and it turns out I did! Right here on the forums:

https://themustangsource.com/f726/steering-feel-484216/

I don't know if there's any truth to what was posted in that thread.

Would be interesting to see if steering feel can be 'retrofitted'.

Here's a better pic of the Shelby buttons.

Ahh ok. The one picture didn't have anything on the middle button. It must not have had the bilsteins

UPS wouldn't pick it up ... improper documentation. I need 3 copies of a commercial export document ...

dmhines, I think you will beat me on this, as I am not getting my cluster out of the States anytime soon.

I have the wiring for the switches figured out already, so if you need help just let me know.

In the mean time, I'm going to take an asprin and do this ... :banghead:

What? This is so stupid. Illegals can get across the borders like its nothing. But you need a DNA sample to get some tail lights

I'm in Florida this week so you had a chance to beat me. I'm thinking the seller requied a signature so I may not have mine until next Monday. Appreciate the help on the wiring. Hope we get that far!

Got the switch today.

Part number on the invoice is different than what I gave earlier: SW 6911

Cool .. you are more confident than me its gonna work. I'm not gonna order switch until I see the display actually do something in my car ...

When you gonna plug it in to see if the screen works?

And Jim - any ETA on when your cluster will arrive?