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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 06:10 AM
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Shelby terlingua has done great things with the V6 mustangs. But those are pretty much race cars and cost a hell of a lot of money to build or replicate. My only point in building a sixer to perform is its not a "bang for the buck" type of investment and a hard way to get there.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
Shelby terlingua has done great things with the V6 mustangs. But those are pretty much race cars and cost a hell of a lot of money to build or replicate. My only point in building a sixer to perform is its not a "bang for the buck" type of investment and a hard way to get there.
I thought I could stay out of this but this is just ridiculous! He is saying that he is going to put a supercharger on his sixxer and wondered about a one piece driveshaft. It's no different than someone with a GT doing it and no it's not going to cost a lot of money because he never said anything about building a race car! Also like V6 Diver said you will come out spending less than you would for a GT.

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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
So because you want to drive past 120, and assume Ford limited the speed only due to one part, you are going to ignore all the other parts of the drive train and suspension system, and drive it like a GT? Because you were too cheap to buy a GT? Because V6 = racecar?? And when you wreck, and the 1 piece doesn't break away like the factory 2 piece is engineered to do so it crushes forward into the cab making mush out of your head, with the 1 piece clipping the tanks at full jounce, at least there will be a good fire to clean up the mess. Brilliant.
I disagree with most of your statement but not all. He is right that there is a misconception that replacing the driveshaft will enable you to go above what the car is limited at. This is wrong and I wish people would stop spreading this. You need to do suspension work and get better tires. The performance Pack cars are a different story and are closer to that goal than non PP stangs. Where I part ways with this is again no one is talking about building a race car and if you had a GT and wanted to go above where it's speed limited to you would have to do the same mods as the V6 guys.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 07:42 AM
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People bought v6's because they couldn't afford v8's but are putting $7,000 into forced induction?

Much sense this does not make I'm afraid, why not just save up and get the v8 if you're going to come close to the price of a v8 anyway?
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fdjizm
People bought v6's because they couldn't afford v8's but are putting $7,000 into forced induction?

Much sense this does not make I'm afraid, why not just save up and get the v8 if you're going to come close to the price of a v8 anyway?
If your having someone install it for you than its 7k. Otherwise I haven't seen any kit that cost that much and depending on how much you spent on your V6 at purchase you should come out alot cheaper not a little. There's about a 10K gap in price between the two new. Now if your ok getting a used GT than your right. Me personally I don't like used cars unless I know the previous owner and how the took care of it. Sorry this thread is way off topic. Where were we.. driveshafts??

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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ajcruz1
I thought I could stay out of this but this is just ridiculous! He is saying that he is going to put a supercharger on his sixxer and wondered about a one piece driveshaft. It's no different than someone with a GT doing it and no it's not going to cost a lot of money because he never said anything about building a race car! Also like V6 Diver said you will come out spending less than you would for a GT.
I don't see how it's ridiculous. I don't see a supercharged sixer overpowering a stock driveshaft. Not before you blast the clutch and burn the flywheel down anyways. Aluminum driveshafts lighten up rotating mass freeing up a couple horses maybe. But it won't snap the stock shaft. Swap out the shaft if it makes you feel better about things I guess. I just don't see spending unnecessary money where it's not needed. Chances are you're gonna be buying a new clutch and flywheel before you snap a DS. So many supporting mods will be required with a 450+hp sixer that yes it will cost the $10k+.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 10:03 AM
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I'm not an expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

You'll probably need to replace your UCA with an adjustable one if you get a 1 piece driveshaft as it'll probably change the pinion angle. You'll want to make sure that you get the angle set correctly as at high speeds it'll matter a lot. It may even be best to find a shop to make sure this is done correctly.

Regarding generic things on boosting your top speed: As others have said, you'll probably at the least need to look at replacing the tires. I'm not sure what speed yours are rated at, but it's something to check. You'll also want to look into aero. Getting up to 100 really starts changing things and you could end up with significant changes in weight distro.

As cdyncao said, you're altering something that was the way it was intentionally set up from the factory. That's not to discourage you, but more to suggest consulting someone who really knows the answers to your questions. (not just forum junkies). Good luck.

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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
So many supporting mods will be required with a 450+hp sixer that yes it will cost the $10k+.
Like? If your talking about suspension that can be had for less than 1K and if you have the performance pack then you don't need to do anything as it's the same as the GT. Wheels and tires are about the same size so I don't see why the V6 couldn't handle the same amount of power as the GT. Like I said if you get a used GT then it's a different story and you guys are right it would be a better option if the OP wanted to go that route but maybe he likes what he has and wants to work on that. I think its messed up when V8 guys always try to tell a V6 guy he should just get a V8. Maybe he doesn't want to, is building a sleeper or can't. I'm building a sleeper V6 for the challenge of it. Anybody can hook up a GT, those are a dime a dozen but with the limited aftermarket parts and support it makes for a fun and challenging build. Plus all the unsuspecting onlookers will not expect it. Crazy right! lol

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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 11:04 AM
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sometime I post in a thread but I don't post the answer to the question the OP is looking for but rather I post my opinion about what the OP is asking about. I figure its less helpful that way and his thread ends up with a bunch of useless crap in it......
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Glenn
sometime I post in a thread but I don't post the answer to the question the OP is looking for but rather I post my opinion about what the OP is asking about. I figure its less helpful that way and his thread ends up with a bunch of useless crap in it......
True...sorry OP got lead down the rabbit hole. Anyway There are threads across other forums that may help you as not many if any of the V6 guys on here have supercharged there stang and replaced the driveshaft. It's mostly a piece of mind thing from what I gather.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:01 PM
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I change my mind. You definitely should replace your driveshaft OP. And secondly, all sixer owners should upgrade their stangs as much as they would like. Their are absolutely no bad ideas and I encourage everyone to spend as much money possible on your cars. Please help stimulate our economy and at the same time, burn GTs. Enjoy.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AlsCobra
I change my mind. You definitely should replace your driveshaft OP. And secondly, all sixer owners should upgrade their stangs as much as they would like. Their are absolutely no bad ideas and I encourage everyone to spend as much money possible on your cars. Please help stimulate our economy and at the same time, burn GTs. Enjoy.
Careful... big bad michael 20 will want to hang you too.


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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
Careful... big bad michael 20 will want to hang you too.
He can't catch me. I can go way faster than 140.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco
So because you want to drive past 120, and assume Ford limited the speed only due to one part, you are going to ignore all the other parts of the drive train and suspension system, and drive it like a GT? Because you were too cheap to buy a GT? Because V6 = racecar?? And when you wreck, and the 1 piece doesn't break away like the factory 2 piece is engineered to do so it crushes forward into the cab making mush out of your head, with the 1 piece clipping the tanks at full jounce, at least there will be a good fire to clean up the mess. Brilliant.
Well not all of us could buy the GT. Plus for other various reasons such as insurance, gas, payments, and more. All of these could be factors in determining which car to purchase. Why must you always be so negative in your comments?
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:19 PM
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Well not all of us could buy the GT. Plus for other various reasons such as insurance, gas, payments, and more. All of these could be factors in determining which car to purchase. Why must you always be so negative in your comments?
Gas mileage envy.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:21 PM
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I believe this guy was trying to steal enough money to build his sixer to beat a GT.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 12:25 PM
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Well not all of us could buy the GT. Plus for other various reasons such as insurance, gas, payments, and more. All of these could be factors in determining which car to purchase. Why must you always be so negative in your comments?
Boy - you're just as dense as a few others on this thread. I wasn't dissing the V6 - though some immediately took it that way. I didn't know the V6 crowd had such huge chips on their shoulders.

Some here replied with logic - I provided Ford engineering comments - for owners to consider in their decision as to whether a 1 piece drive shaft is actually a solution. And I commented about the risk and foolishness of exceeding FORD's engineering.

Rather than take these into consideration, some here went all pouty lip and took comments out of context. If you read it negative - look in the mirror little man. And some need to learn to read english before they spout off.

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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by zbrewha863
I am planning on putting down 400-450whp off the bat. Does anybody have any actual experience with the stock or aftermarket driveshafts on V6s with this kind of power? Or any actual experience of driveshaft failure besides seeing the poor quality YouTube videos that don't really show anything?
Sorry for aiding in the hijacking of the thread. I don't personally have any experience with it. I'd suggest contacting AM to ask about their build, as well as some of the driveshaft mfg's to see what kind of testing they have. It'll be some parts sales pitch, but they may be able to provide some interesting test data.

The driveshaft should have specs concerning its max torque rating, max rpm, etc. but keep in mind those will be under ideal conditions on a machine, not bolted under a car. Mounting it to yours will inherently have some imperfection (even if you get the pinion angle perfect, it will change a bit with load.)
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cdynaco

Boy - you're just as dense as a few others on this thread. I wasn't dissing the V6 - though some immediately took it that way. I didn't know the V6 crowd had such huge chips on their shoulders.

Some here replied with logic - I provided Ford engineering comments - for owners to consider in their decision as to whether a 1 piece drive shaft is actually a solution. And I commented about the risk and foolishness of exceeding FORD's engineering.

Rather than take these into consideration, some here went all pouty lip and took comments out of context. If you read it negative - look in the mirror little man. And some need to learn to read english before they spout off.
I think the issue isn't that your information is wrong. You tend state things that are opinions as facts. The comments read as insulting and belittling. This is most likely not your intent. Writing lacks tone that can be gathered from speech. You might do well to consider how your words will be taken. Your information is often very helpful and intelligent. Your delivery is often insulting. I personally read your posts for information and just assume you mean no offense.
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Old Apr 2, 2014 | 02:36 PM
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I personally read your posts for information and just assume you mean no offense.
Then you are reading me correctly.
Sadly the web doesn't allow for TIC expressions so I often include smilies. People read how they want to read. I have zero control over you or any others and/or how people choose to read english.

Although I do think pushing a V6 past Ford's 120 limiter is risky and foolish and dangerous - to the driver and others. And the comments that simply changing to a 1 piece driveshaft somehow makes it safe (even to 140) are absolutely [fill in the blank].

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