Safest tune for coyote?
7/12/14, 11:29 AM
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7/12/14, 05:59 PM
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As to my source, I had planned on buying this tune myself. I called both Ford and Ford racing. This was the information they provided me after many calls and discussions.
7/12/14, 07:24 PM
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It reduces your warranty to 3 years or 36000. Ford racing is a separate entity from Ford. Ford racing has its own 3/36000. It replace your factory warranty. I know some will say that Ford has to prove your tune caused the issue if there is a failure. While this is true, it could take some time and trouble to fight this.
As to my source, I had planned on buying this tune myself. I called both Ford and Ford racing. This was the information they provided me after many calls and discussions.
7/12/14, 08:32 PM
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It reduces your warranty to 3 years or 36000. Ford racing is a separate entity from Ford. Ford racing has its own 3/36000. It replace your factory warranty. I know some will say that Ford has to prove your tune caused the issue if there is a failure. While this is true, it could take some time and trouble to fight this. As to my source, I had planned on buying this tune myself. I called both Ford and Ford racing. This was the information they provided me after many calls and discussions.
It's the same co and the same warranty. The original doesn't go away to be replaced by a FR one. Not to mention that FR only needs to be involved regarding things related to the tune. If a shock goes out, you don't talk to FR.
FR told me that regardless of the issue, your dealer will cover it no problem. And this is proven with the recent cat issues arguably from the FRPP track cal. Dealers are covering it no questions asked. There is no fighting or back and forth needed. Ford dealers look at the car issue as if the tune was never there.
Finally your warranty is not shortened at all.
7/12/14, 08:35 PM
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I'd go with a much more reputable tuner if you go that route. VMP, Lund, etc.
Bama is kinda like the Walmart of tuners.
7/12/14, 08:36 PM
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2011GT let us know if we can help you out. We've been doing custom tunes now as we no longer provide VMP tunes. We have a few hundred under out belt within the last 4 months with zero issues and making great power. Our full time tuner has over 20 years of tuning experience, any questions at all please don't hesitate to ask!
7/12/14, 08:59 PM
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2011GT let us know if we can help you out. We've been doing custom tunes now as we no longer provide VMP tunes. We have a few hundred under out belt within the last 4 months with zero issues and making great power. Our full time tuner has over 20 years of tuning experience, any questions at all please don't hesitate to ask!
7/13/14, 01:29 AM
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That is completely untrue. I spoke directly with Mike at FR and he said the whole separate entity thing and replacing the factory warranty thing is a MYTH.
It's the same co and the same warranty. The original doesn't go away to be replaced by a FR one. Not to mention that FR only needs to be involved regarding things related to the tune. If a shock goes out, you don't talk to FR.
FR told me that regardless of the issue, your dealer will cover it no problem. And this is proven with the recent cat issues arguably from the FRPP track cal. Dealers are covering it no questions asked. There is no fighting or back and forth needed. Ford dealers look at the car issue as if the tune was never there.
Finally your warranty is not shortened at all.
It's the same co and the same warranty. The original doesn't go away to be replaced by a FR one. Not to mention that FR only needs to be involved regarding things related to the tune. If a shock goes out, you don't talk to FR.
FR told me that regardless of the issue, your dealer will cover it no problem. And this is proven with the recent cat issues arguably from the FRPP track cal. Dealers are covering it no questions asked. There is no fighting or back and forth needed. Ford dealers look at the car issue as if the tune was never there.
Finally your warranty is not shortened at all.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/annou...ent_2014v3.pdf
here is a link to the warranty description. It does say that if the failure is not caused by the tune, the manufacturers warranty stays intact.
There is a tsb about modification to the tune. It does not say that ford racing tunes are exempt.
http://cdn.lrsstatic.com/downloads/t...sb11-07-07.pdf
If you have written proof to share, please do. I would love to buy this tune. It is true that with any failure ford has to prove the failure was caused by the part. I have read many horror stories about these battles. My advice is not intended to blast you, it is a cautionary note. I do months of research before all my mods. Warranty is a big issue of mine. I would feel horrible if someone made a purchase based on a recommendation of mine and it hurt them financially.
7/13/14, 08:39 AM
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Well said Mr V, dealers are like people no two are alike, its the dealer that is the contact for your car and they can refuse to help you , if they choose to do so.
7/13/14, 09:59 AM
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I am not trying to get in an argument here but I am concerned that people may read your post and believe that their warranty is not at risk. I think the best advice for anyone looking at a tune and is concerned about warranty, is to speak to your dealer and ask them for something in writing that says they will honor the powertrain warranty with a tune. No dealer i spoke to would. Call ford racing yourself. I called several times and no one would guarantee me anything in writing. Quite the opposite. They explained to me that they are actually separate legal entities. http://www.fordracingparts.com/annou...ent_2014v3.pdf here is a link to the warranty description. It does say that if the failure is not caused by the tune, the manufacturers warranty stays intact. There is a tsb about modification to the tune. It does not say that ford racing tunes are exempt. http://cdn.lrsstatic.com/downloads/t...sb11-07-07.pdf If you have written proof to share, please do. I would love to buy this tune. It is true that with any failure ford has to prove the failure was caused by the part. I have read many horror stories about these battles. My advice is not intended to blast you, it is a cautionary note. I do months of research before all my mods. Warranty is a big issue of mine. I would feel horrible if someone made a purchase based on a recommendation of mine and it hurt them financially.
Saying the are completely separate is like saying toys r us and babies r us are separate. They are physically and legally. However they are one company and I can return a tru item at bru.
I don't doubt you called all of these places a bunch. But that means nothing about how valid the info you got is. The documents you posted have nothing to do with a FRPP specific tune causing issues. If a dealer won't honor a FRPP tune than pick another dealer.
Again MIKE @ FRPP (who is active on this forum) said to my question of "what about all the stuff on the forums about being separate entities and having a new warranty through FRPP." "That's a MYTH. We are the same and the dealer will treat it just like any normal factory warranty issue."
If you have specific names from FRPP that told you one thing or another that can actually post here and back it up....let me know.
7/13/14, 10:01 AM
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Not true. Yes some dealers try to pull crap on customers and get away with stuff while others are legit. But no dealer can LEGALLY refuse to fix a warranty issue unless item isn't covered. This would never be the case due to a FRPP tune.
7/13/14, 11:31 AM
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Funny. I have the same concern about people reading your bad information. So you asked your dealer about a "tune". Of course they will give the response they did. But a FRPP tune is a different animal. You can believe what you want based on your "research". But don't tell people things that are incorrect.
Saying the are completely separate is like saying toys r us and babies r us are separate. They are physically and legally. However they are one company and I can return a tru item at bru.
I don't doubt you called all of these places a bunch. But that means nothing about how valid the info you got is. The documents you posted have nothing to do with a FRPP specific tune causing issues. If a dealer won't honor a FRPP tune than pick another dealer.
Again MIKE @ FRPP (who is active on this forum) said to my question of "what about all the stuff on the forums about being separate entities and having a new warranty through FRPP." "That's a MYTH. We are the same and the dealer will treat it just like any normal factory warranty issue."
If you have specific names from FRPP that told you one thing or another that can actually post here and back it up....let me know.
For those reading this, Ask your dealer. Yes, I asked my dealer and 5 others in the area about the Ford racing tune. I even asked a Ford racing dealer. When I began researching I didn't know that specific Ford dealers specialized in installing Ford racing parts. Even those dealers stated the exact same things I am posting here.
I am not trying to pick a fight. You seem to take this discussion personally. What i am posting is verified in several other threads on this site as well as speaking to several dealers and Ford racing itself. As with many things, buyer beware. I won't continue this argument because you simply restate your facts without addressing the information I have posted. I hope that anyone reading this does speak to their dealers before modding their car. If you look up my thread mod friendly dealers in California, you'll see some of the variety of answers different Ford dealers will give you when you mod your car.
Good luck. I hope all works out for you.
7/13/14, 12:21 PM
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And you quote none. I wonder if you actually read and understand what you are typing. Where as the quote I provided is the only information needed. You posted irrelevant articles. I've taken nothing personal. But you bringing that up makes me think that you are.
No one will give you anything in writing because there are tons of variables involved with warranties. If that's what you need to feel safe then you're in the wrong hobby. But if your motor blows and your only mod is the FRPP tune. It will be covered with zero hassle.
I guess if the only dealers around you are crooks, that sucks. But the OP asked about the safest tune. My answer remains the best option IMO. And my statement about your warranty not being at risk remains fact.
Please stop providing incorrect information.
No one will give you anything in writing because there are tons of variables involved with warranties. If that's what you need to feel safe then you're in the wrong hobby. But if your motor blows and your only mod is the FRPP tune. It will be covered with zero hassle.
I guess if the only dealers around you are crooks, that sucks. But the OP asked about the safest tune. My answer remains the best option IMO. And my statement about your warranty not being at risk remains fact.
Please stop providing incorrect information.
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7/13/14, 06:09 PM
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Wow what a discussion. I like the numbers from bama and since I have credit I think I will pull the trigger. I will have the set tune to be safe as possible and hope for the best. They do have a warranty but like anything else getting it fixed can be a nightmare. Thank you for your opinions and any other history that might help my decision process.
7/13/14, 07:12 PM
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2011GT let us know if we can help you out. We've been doing custom tunes now as we no longer provide VMP tunes. We have a few hundred under out belt within the last 4 months with zero issues and making great power. Our full time tuner has over 20 years of tuning experience, any questions at all please don't hesitate to ask!
7/13/14, 08:46 PM
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I would data log that Bama tune as soon as you get it, that stuff is hit or miss. Personally believe Steeda makes great safe tunes. Also been hearing great things from the hypermotive tunes. I bought one last week but have yet to try it. I will report back though.
7/14/14, 01:20 PM
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About 4 months ago, just wanted to go with our own tuner, it gets tiring when having to depend on an outside tuning company.
2011gt, our website is www.hypermotive.com, we have a tuning tab on the top. We've been making a lot of waves lately on our tunes.
Heres a link just for some reviews
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...tune-club.html
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...eam-hyper.html
A lot of customers switching over to us with great success