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Old 10/22/12, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
Now if only Roush could field another team with David Ragan as the driver.
Yeah, because that worked out so well last time.
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Old 10/22/12, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
Now if only Roush could field another team with David Ragan as the driver.
Yeah, because he's been doing so well this season and deserves a Roush car ...
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David Ragan needs to walk for a while.
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Old 10/23/12, 11:24 AM
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You all are just not giving David Ragan enough credit. He actually did a really good job of driving while at Roush. He was just starting to win and then was let go. I would put his former chief to blame as the reason he did not win more races. His crew chief was too conservative and did not make the right decisions to put David in the winners circle more often.

Look what Carl Edwards is doing lately. Nothing. Look what Stenhouse did in the Sprint Cup races he has run so far, DID NOTHING. Now look at what Ragan did in the last Talladega race. He finished 3rd. Carl Edwards has not even been in the top three lately. Look back, David Ragan did a lot with the not so competitive Roush race cars.
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Old 10/23/12, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
You all are just not giving David Ragan enough credit. He actually did a really good job of driving while at Roush. He was just starting to win and then was let go. I would put his former chief to blame as the reason he did not win more races. His crew chief was too conservative and did not make the right decisions to put David in the winners circle more often.

Look what Carl Edwards is doing lately. Nothing. Look what Stenhouse did in the Sprint Cup races he has run so far, DID NOTHING. Now look at what Ragan did in the last Talladega race. He finished 3rd. Carl Edwards has not even been in the top three lately. Look back, David Ragan did a lot with the not so competitive Roush race cars.
http://www.racing-reference.info/driver/David_Ragan


7 years in Cup racing.

214 race starts.

1 race win.

Raced 59,796 laps.

Led 109 laps.


That's not too impressive considering he was driving some of best equipment in the business.
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Old 10/23/12, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
You all are just not giving David Ragan enough credit. He actually did a really good job of driving while at Roush. He was just starting to win and then was let go.
Good job? Just starting to win? He won 1 race in 7 years while driving for one of the top team in the NASCAR ...

Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
Look what Carl Edwards is doing lately. Nothing. Look what Stenhouse did in the Sprint Cup races he has run so far, DID NOTHING. Now look at what Ragan did in the last Talladega race. He finished 3rd. Carl Edwards has not even been in the top three lately.
Carl Edwards has won 19 races since joining Roush 7 years ago and finished 2nd in standing 3 times. He's having an off year, but he'll be back, no doubt about that.
Ricky Stenhouse Jr. has raced in 4 (FOUR) races in the Sprint Cup. What did you expect, wins already? He's gonna be a championship contender within 2-3 years. Not to mention - this is the guy who has won 8 Nationwide races over the past two seasons and will most likely win back to back championship. He's the next big thing.

The only reason why Ragan finished 3rd at Talladega is because everybody else wrecked, barely anyone was running at the end after that big crash.

Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
Look back, David Ragan did a lot with the not so competitive Roush race cars.
Not so competitive? That #6 was Jack Roush's baby and he probably spent more resources on that #6 than on any other teams that he was running.

Mark Martin finished in the Top 10 in standings in 16 out of 19 years that he has spent driving that #6.
Ragan's best finish was 13th and he finished 23rd or worse in the remaining four years.

Ragan didn't deserve the job even at Furniture Row Racing considering the fact that guys like AJ Allmendinger and Brian Vickers are out of work and they're both much better drivers than Ragan.

p.s. what happened to your prediction that Ragain is gonna win at least 2-3 races in 2012?

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Old 10/24/12, 06:52 AM
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sorry nothing against Ragan but he isn't a top tier driver by no means and doesn't need to tie up a seat in a good ride over a much better driver, period. take out restrictor tracks these have produced more 1st and only time winners and isn't a gauge of anything. sorry but he falls in on a long list of drivers with lest than steller careers. nice guy yeah, clean driver yeah and has some skills no doubt but he isn't what you think.
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Originally Posted by skunk21
sorry nothing against Ragan but he isn't a top tier driver by no means and doesn't need to tie up a seat in a good ride over a much better driver, period. take out restrictor tracks these have produced more 1st and only time winners and isn't a gauge of anything. sorry but he falls in on a long list of drivers with lest than steller careers. nice guy yeah, clean driver yeah and has some skills no doubt but he isn't what you think.
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Old 10/24/12, 11:30 AM
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I do not think Carl Edwards has forgotten how to drive, yet he seldom challenges for the win. To say he is having an off year suggests his performance is off. I think the reason he has not had a good season is his race car is not good enough just as David Ragans car was not good enough when he was at Roush. Today, in just a matter of a few months a team can go from competitive to not so competitive. Now as far as Mark Martin doing well in the 6 car, he had a lot of previous knowledge about race car setups and new what to tell his crew chief about what he needed to win. For a young driver like David to step into a car setup for someone like Mark does not mean the car will be as successful. One more season at Roush would have been a breakout year for David Ragan.
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really, all the roush cars have been off and on all season. carl is a combo of things not just the car. I'm not going to beat this dead horse, he just doesn't have it. he couldn't come 1st again with jimmy johnson pushing him to the the win. I know for sure no matter what you aren't going to change your mind so time to move on.

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Old 10/24/12, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
I do not think Carl Edwards has forgotten how to drive, yet he seldom challenges for the win. To say he is having an off year suggests his performance is off. I think the reason he has not had a good season is his race car is not good enough just as David Ragans car was not good enough when he was at Roush.
The only difference is ...

A bad year for Edwards was the 12th place. And he was able to rebound after each bad year to be a title contended - again and again and again (he finished 2nd in the final standings in 2005, 2008 and 2011).

A bad year for Ragan was the 27th place (in fact, he had only bad years). And he was never able to rebound, his best finish in the final standings was the 13th place. In fact, that 13th place was his only finish inside the Top 23 during his 7 years in the NASCAR.

You're not really suggesting that Ragan is as good or better than Edwards, are you?

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One more season at Roush would have been a breakout year for David Ragan.
He had six years to prove what he can do. How many chances did this kid needs?

Jack Roush should've fired him after that 3rd season when he finished 27th.
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David Ragan qualifys quicker than Carl Edwards and Greg Biffle at Martinsville. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! I rest my case for David Ragan being the most under rated Ford racer in NASCAR. To run quick on a short track, a good chassis setup and a driver who knows how to make use of the chassis setup is important for quick lap times. David Ragan proved once again he knows how to drive quickly
By the way, Ragan qualified 16 th.

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Remind me, please, what do drivers get for qualifying results? Points? Money? Anything at all?

Once again, this kid had 6 years to show everybody "how quick he can drive" ... And he really showed everybody how quick he is ...
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Old 11/3/12, 04:10 AM
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More clarification on why Matt left?

Kyle Busch hopes to sign Ross Kenseth
http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/tr...-ross-kenseth/
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Things are making sense ...
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Go to the second page of thread about Kenseth leaving Roush and you will see I had the reason for Matt leaving Roush figured out on 7/2/2012. Matt knows Ford does not have the money like Toyota to invest in race teams and Roush does not need any more young drivers. Ross Kenseth is ready to move up to running superspeedways.He is a very accomplished racer like Bill Elliots son. These young racers have to go where the money is and as a result have both abandoned Ford. If things go well for Ross, he will most likely replace Matt at Joe Gibbs after two or three years. Matt is thinking of his son having a bright future in racing.
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Originally Posted by 2 Go Snake View Post
Go to the second page of thread about Kenseth leaving Roush and you will see I had the reason for Matt leaving Roush figured out on 7/2/2012. Matt knows Ford does not have the money like Toyota to invest in race teams and Roush does not need any more young drivers. Ross Kenseth is ready to move up to running superspeedways.He is a very accomplished racer like Bill Elliots son. These young racers have to go where the money is and as a result have both abandoned Ford. If things go well for Ross, he will most likely replace Matt at Joe Gibbs after two or three years. Matt is thinking of his son having a bright future in racing.
Yup, too bad Toyota has all the cash.. I hate Toyotas!!
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UPDATE: Kyle Busch Motorsports (KBM) announced that the team has signed Joey Coulter to compete for the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series driver's championship in 2013. Further details regarding sponsorship and truck number will be announced at a later date.(KBM)(11-7-2012)
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So, did the traitor show any signs of remorse for leaving Roush when he spoke at the Nascar banquet ?
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