What if the PP came as part of the price? Trust me that the PP really doesnt cost that much over the standard equipment. It's just inflated by Ford.

 

Don't caught get up on my statement about owning two GT500s. I'm just saying as a buyer of the car I would have perfered it to have max performance right from the factory. The SVT PP should have been standard on the 11 & 12.

 

this is kind of like someones mom writing a letter to the mother of the kid beating up her kid.

 

It wasn't the price, it was the looks. I don't like the looks of the PP wheels and the smaller stripes.

 

No replac...
Ok mr 6.2 and 7.0L engine.
Advanced te....
Screenless nav?
Safety?
You cant see a **** thing out of the maro, its dark, has gunslit windows, and layout of gauges is wtf.
Seńor CEO, i and all others with half a brain and laugh at you

 

I hope the red stripes for the PP pkg goes away for 2013.

 

I think the letter is pointless really. These halo cars are really not bought by the average person who could be swayed by HP numbers alone. I don't think the average buyer of a ZL1 would cross shop at Ford (I wouldn't) just like the GT500 owners probably wouldn't do the same for the ZL1 (any of you GT500 owners here, barring knowledge of this 650 hp GT500, think of switching camp? I doubt it).
So while it does seem like smoke and mirrors making claims on something they've never driven themselves yet, I don't see the point. To the fans, the ones doing the most *****ing about it probably can't afford either.

Last I checked the "old pushrod V8's hold their own in any measurable aspect to your sophisticated" DOHC. Hell they are both early 1900 technology. Don't see one being more high tech than the other to tell ya the truth. Each has their drawbacks and advantages. I happen to prefer mine the way it is.

Really? Funny last I checked only the track pack equipped ones really had much of an advantage especially in the straights. Curves well there's much more to that story. 32K with those mods? If i can guess I'd say you're actually closer to 40 with your list including install unless you did that yourself. If you got all of that and can't keep up with a "stock" vette I'd be embarassed, any LS3 vette with headers tune and lowered would not be worried about you, when you talk about modded cars you bring this conversation 360 degrees I'd reply with my 20K Z28 with 8K in mods would have you singing a different tune as well, then someone with a foxbody with 5K would have me then an Vega with whetever etc etc. Anyone can build something better than than a stock or near stock offering. You are just as emphatic about Ford as any on C5 is about GM. Crapmaro=Rustang in C5 speak.

For once we agree.

While strong ya to go North of 600 and keep it warrantable are 2 different situations. I can see it easily with the LS9 though and for the ZL1 to match GM will have to up the ZR1 as well. Not as cheap or easy for a company to try to compete with 1 car from another company and 1 from within.

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To match that the LSA needs the forged pistons and the bigger CI and better intercooled blower from the LS9. If it were my project anything with that power needs to be removed from a production line and into the handbuilt assembly with the LS9 and LS7, possible "if" you didn't have a Z06 or ZR1 to worry about. Otherwise I'm betting it would be a warranty nightmare. Lingenfelter does it but if any of those see 100K miles I'd be amazed, bet I'd blow it in about 6 months.

On the flip side of that isn't it the LS3 that finally made Ford decide to make some real power for the GT? Just sayin........How long did it take for a GT to maintain it's own with a Z28 (or SS) I remember way different conversations when the LS1 bowed, Seemed GT owners settled for better sales numbers over performance numbers (or pointed to the limited edition variants), now it's the other way around seems like. I fully give the 5.0 and especially this new GT 500 their props, well done indeed it's a hell of a gauntlet thrown, but if you think it's endgame, lest I remind you no one stays on top otherwise we'd be still stuck with smog laden 200 hp V8's.

 

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but the 5.0 was in development before the camaro concept came out

 

I understand where you're coming from but not everyone wants the "harsher" ride of the SVT PP (although I didn't find it harsh). Those that are tracking the car wanted that extra handling firmness.
The adjustable ride on the '13 SVT PP seems to be the perfect answer.

 

See something like stripe size should have been an option. I didn't like them either which is why I got stripe delete. Apparently Ford noticed a lot of GT500 owners didn't either and went back to the large stripes.

 

Wow, someone got their feelings hurt.

When it comes down to it the Main Man in charge is basically an appointee of Obama. So thinly veiled excuses coming out in letters is not surprising. Also, as already mentioned, do you REALLY think GM didn't know anything about the upcoming 2011 GT?

The bulk of my comments went towards the Crapmaro. My throwing in the Vette remark was just me being pithy about the dire straights I believe GM to be in with their current "business" model.

GM is a joke compared to what they used to be. I like how they're stepping up their performance game. It means better Mustang's for all of us. And since you're completely ignorant of my past vehicles, don't be so quick to assume I'm some Ford fanboy.

 

I agree somewhat, the smaller stripes aren't my favorite except for red on black and grabber blue on black...those two are sick otherwise I dislike....but the wheels aren't THAT bad!

 

So Ford decided to do their hp increments (GT's) in the order of 225/260/300/315........412 for just giggles? I really can't argue with you when the rumors of the 5.0 came out, I'll wait for Boomer's input on this as he knows more but I've been here since 07 and on other Ford forums long before this, I know word was out of a 400 HP Camaro on the horizon long before the first concept rolled out back when the LS2 was still in production and I can't recall hearing much about it (5.0) then. If so then man that was one of Fords worst kept secrets 3+years of rumors before an official announcement (09). Even so I know for a fact no one knew specific output. Hell I recall Jsaylor strumming 450-500 from the factory possibilities based on Jaguars engine but that was after the LS3 was out because that's what we were talking about then, and 700hp Ford 6.2's and some more stuff.

Nope sorry bud, haven't maintained this long on a MUSTANG site getting my "feelings" hurt. Hell I laugh at alot of the fanboy commentators (maybe not as much as C5 but plenty to be sure) and most of the time don't even feel like commenting. Sometimes I do feel the desire to try to bring the topics back to earth though instead of the big blue oval in the sky if I feel it can be.

Anyhow, I don't need to know what you have had, will, or wont have to know how as to whether they are a fan or fanboy, their language and use of terms say that themselves. Last I checked I didn't call ya a fanboy, I said you are as emphatic as is obvious even now which is completely irrelevant to what you ever owned. Emphatic does not equal fanboy. Capice? However I find amusing that you deride performance of GM models with obvious disdain because you are mad at the business model? How's GM's fiscal blundering affect whether or not you can keep up with a vette or this supposed "skunking" is taking place? I said my piece earlier on that, I stand by it, short memory spans are common when things are looking good (both ways to be fair)

IF GM has one thing going for them now it's that they have more performance models out now than ever before, business model be damned. ZL1,Z06,ZR1,SS,1LE, Gran Sport name plates all at the same time? That aspect of GM is actually booming. Right now I really don't care who owns GM (though I really detest the whole bankruptcy and agree with the obama appointee stuff and even said myself the letter was lame), Never have those 3 Z models been out at the same time. I'm impressed and confident this muscle war will continue on both sides now.

 

An amusing thread, for sure. But let's take a second out from all the *****-waving...........the fact is, competition improves the breed. If this means we, as consumers, get a better product, then we ALL win. We'll stick to our great Mustangs and our GM friends can get great Camaros.

As for the letter? A couple of things.....I think the "no replacement for displacement" comment was actually directed at themselves, recognising that 6.2 or 7.0 engines alone are not enough to win the war. You need a full arsenal, a car that can handle as well as go fast in a straight line. Sure, some of the facts are a little skewed, but he's trying to appease a loyal bunch of fans.

I'm more concerned about how long the war will continue. We know the S197 only has 2 model years to go (and it's going out IN STYLE!) However, all the talk of smaller platforms and 4 cylinders has me a little concerned. I know Camaro is expected to move to a smaller (Alpha?) platform in a couple of years, but I hope we're not reliving the early 70s with the muscle cars going out in a blaze of glory. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't expect a limp Mustang II to replace the S197, but I do fear it'll be a very different car, more light, lithe and European in flavour, and that's not what I want.

For now, lets just enjoy the fact that all 3 companies are producing old-skool-cool-in-a-modern-package

 

 

Isn't the new camaro ZL1 the first available factory super charger? What brought that on? The GT500 already was super charged. Who's chasing who?

 

I remember when GM guys were making fun of the gt500 for even having a blower lol what happend?

 

Exactly. And do the Camaro/GM supporters think there would even be a Camaro if the retro styled 05 Mustang wasn't such a huge hit? The whole reason GM even brought the Camaro back is because of Ford's success.

The increase in HP from Ford is just an example of how much smarter they are than GM. Just when GM thinks they've bested the Mustang , Ford's ready to go with the 5.0. The '13 GT500 however is the coup de grące. It's left GM looking a bit foolish.

People can argue about what came first, the chicken or the egg, but Mustang was the car that started it all in the 60's and it's the car the restarted it all in this generation.

 

I went over to C5 and read their reaction to GM's letter....I guess this is why people make lousy eye witnesses. Most over there were cheering about this letter and their faith in GM has been restored. Instead of viewing the letter as "damage control" they took it as a "declaration of war".

When the dust settles in early summer I guess we'll know which car is the winner of this latest HP war. Until then each "camp" will beat on the war drums and hurl insults across the battlefield at each other.

 

The GM fanboys said for years that the Shelby needed a blower to make any decent power and it was a cheap way to
make power and there was no replacement for displacement and blower whine sucked.

Now that all seems ok.