Upgrade Bullitt Suspension
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Agreed. But that is on the extreme end of the performance handling spectrum.
Who cares if the car handles better than a Shelby GT if it looks like a 4x4?!?
By lowering it, even if primarily for looks, you will also see a nice benefit in almost every performance characteristic that counts on an easily daily driven street car.
Example: http://eibach.com/cgi-bin/start.exe/...try=y&thid=122
Roll centers be damned, most of us will never use the car at that 10/10ths to make a difference.
But if it improves the looks, the acceleration, the braking, the slalom (accident avoidance), and MPG, what do you have to lose???
Who cares if the car handles better than a Shelby GT if it looks like a 4x4?!?
By lowering it, even if primarily for looks, you will also see a nice benefit in almost every performance characteristic that counts on an easily daily driven street car.
Example: http://eibach.com/cgi-bin/start.exe/...try=y&thid=122
Roll centers be damned, most of us will never use the car at that 10/10ths to make a difference.
But if it improves the looks, the acceleration, the braking, the slalom (accident avoidance), and MPG, what do you have to lose???
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What problem? The only problem i see is that your a close minded *******.
That, and the car's sitting up like a truck.
You don't use 100% of your suspension travel daily driving. Losing 10% is going to have a minimal impact, if at all. Even at that, you still retain more suspension travel than MOST high performance cars out there. How much suspension travel do you think a Gallardo has? What about the fun MINI Cooper S? How about a 350Z?
The fact is that you don't like these cars being lowered. And that's fine, it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But coming off with false and ridiculous statements like these just confuses the people looking for help.
That, and the car's sitting up like a truck.
You don't use 100% of your suspension travel daily driving. Losing 10% is going to have a minimal impact, if at all. Even at that, you still retain more suspension travel than MOST high performance cars out there. How much suspension travel do you think a Gallardo has? What about the fun MINI Cooper S? How about a 350Z?
The fact is that you don't like these cars being lowered. And that's fine, it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But coming off with false and ridiculous statements like these just confuses the people looking for help.
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I didnt mean to start a war. I just wanted an opinion to make the car look a little better and handle a little better. I understand ride will suffer but I like it. My svo has liner rate springs, with koni yellows tightened to the max, with subframe connectors and a panhard rod and I love the ride. The Bullitt is a good car but I dont like the large gap in the wheel well and that fact that it feels unsafe going around corners. I know that better tires would fix this but I also want it to be a little lower. I have decided to go with the ultralight steeda springs and steeda shocks, I will post an update. As far as the shelby GT goes I love the ride. Oh also on the suspension issue, I guess I am just upset that my friends stock G37 that cost about the same feels better overall. Guess its that 4 wheel independent.
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independant suspension 
i remember when i had my 99 cobra with rear independant suspension, i absolutely loved the ride, sometimes i dream of a Bullitt with independant suspension...but then again i do love the muscle car ride i have now.
i remember when i had my 99 cobra with rear independant suspension, i absolutely loved the ride, sometimes i dream of a Bullitt with independant suspension...but then again i do love the muscle car ride i have now.
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What problem? The only problem i see is that your a close minded *******.
That, and the car's sitting up like a truck.
You don't use 100% of your suspension travel daily driving. Losing 10% is going to have a minimal impact, if at all. Even at that, you still retain more suspension travel than MOST high performance cars out there. How much suspension travel do you think a Gallardo has? What about the fun MINI Cooper S? How about a 350Z?
The fact is that you don't like these cars being lowered. And that's fine, it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But coming off with false and ridiculous statements like these just confuses the people looking for help.
That, and the car's sitting up like a truck.
You don't use 100% of your suspension travel daily driving. Losing 10% is going to have a minimal impact, if at all. Even at that, you still retain more suspension travel than MOST high performance cars out there. How much suspension travel do you think a Gallardo has? What about the fun MINI Cooper S? How about a 350Z?
The fact is that you don't like these cars being lowered. And that's fine, it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But coming off with false and ridiculous statements like these just confuses the people looking for help.
what about the travel of the ford gt? the built supercars have plenty of travel since their suspension is designed with correct attachment points. point is you can lower the car while retaining a nice ride with good travel!
is that not enough? what about the stock engineering vs griggs racing?
you should notice that in the stock photo the suspension starts above the rear axle. with the griggs set up the coilovers are now connected 2 to 3 inches below the axle. you will also notice the switchover to coilover rear suspension which the cars you mentioned are all running so that they can have additional suspension travel, without raising the ride height of the car. i will not even mention the engineer that has gone into the griggs suspension that has these mustangs holding skid pad number of 1.2+ when combined with their sla front!
wow info without name calling. novel concept!
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I understand ride will suffer but I like it. My svo has liner rate springs, with koni yellows tightened to the max, with subframe connectors and a panhard rod and I love the ride. The Bullitt is a good car but I dont like the large gap in the wheel well and that fact that it feels unsafe going around corners.
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What problem? The only problem i see is that your a close minded ahol.
That, and the car's sitting up like a truck.
The fact is that you don't like these cars being lowered. And that's fine, it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But coming off with false and ridiculous statements like these just confuses the people looking for help.
That, and the car's sitting up like a truck.
The fact is that you don't like these cars being lowered. And that's fine, it's your opinion and your entitled to it. But coming off with false and ridiculous statements like these just confuses the people looking for help.
You forget what a quantum leap this car is over the original muscle cars.
The stock Mustang does not in any way resemble a 4x4 truck.
You call people names and accuse them of falsehoods for having a point of view.
You have a lot of growing up to do son.
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quotes about the full griggs suspension...
the 220 hp 68 mustang is the black one in this video. the car chasing(the car in taking the vid) is a 500hp gt500 with the frpp suspension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUJMO...=griggs&page=2
http://gr40cars.com/media/Articles/democrat.pdf
edit: this info is for anyone wanting to make an informed decision on the new s-197 mustang suspension. i have no affiliation with griggs, or with those who i have quoted above. its just that everywhere i turn someone is raving about the products and performance that comes from griggs racing. it is expensive(3600 for the starter kit). with that however you get the full rear suspension that includes the 2 adjustable koni coil overs, and the 2+ years it took griggs to engineer and design this suspension and correct chassis geometry. you also get the ground control coil overs built to griggs specs for the front of your mustang. if you don't know about the quality of ground control suspension do a search over on the bmw forums...
5. Kevin (who ironically hates mustangs) says it's one of the best handling cars he's ever driven which says alot. He races a Sentra SE-R and is an HPDE instructor in his spare time.
The FR500C, although is similar to stock design, is all race car. The first impression of the FR was....wow, this is not just a stock mustang with stuff bolted on. They are very neutral to drive, light weight, tons of power and excellent handling. However, that being said, if you were to install a Griggs set up on an FR500C.........my lord, what a machine that would be. It was very predictable and consistant.
Here are a few photos of the one I raced in Grand AM.
I was in the #6 car here making the pass in turn one at Daytona:
Here are a few photos of the one I raced in Grand AM.
I was in the #6 car here making the pass in turn one at Daytona:
I do believe that certain cars are allowed to move mounting points and chance some of the geomtry but you are correct that the basic design similar to stock. It did of course have some incredible sway bars, end links, bushings and custom struts/ shocks. With the car's light weight, corner weighted 50/50 balance, etc. really makes for a nice package. I would really like to drive one with the Griggs set up or the GT700KR with the extra 800 lbs gone!
I don't know how many of you saw the 68 Mustang Coupe of Don's but it had the complete Griggs package and a 220 hp 5.0 engine with a 5 speed. It wasn't going to pass any new Z06's on the straights but after riding shotgun in it, I can tell you that not many cars were going to pass it in the corners. Man that car was neutral in the twisties. Awesome looking car and still 100% street legal.
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I don't know how many of you saw the 68 Mustang Coupe of Don's but it had the complete Griggs package and a 220 hp 5.0 engine with a 5 speed. It wasn't going to pass any new Z06's on the straights but after riding shotgun in it, I can tell you that not many cars were going to pass it in the corners. Man that car was neutral in the twisties. Awesome looking car and still 100% street legal.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUJMO...=griggs&page=2
the griggs gr40 stuff is like no other as far as handling i swapped the irs out of mine and went with all griggs stuff in rear(still saving to do the front) it works ****ing un believable
Notwithstanding all the suspension upgrades and modifications, it rides like a regular Mustang GT, maybe better.
After having recently driven possibly the best sports car in the world, the 2008 Nissan GT-R, the GR40 is more than a worthy comparison, showing how you can take a good, inexpensive sports car like the Mustang and with the right reengineering turn it into a street legal car that can be autocrossed, raced or used for embarrassing unsuspecting Porsche or Ferrari Drivers. It is without question, the best handling car I have ever driven, with superb steering, incredible Griggs brakes, handling and balance. It was my best lap ever at Laguna Seca.
After having recently driven possibly the best sports car in the world, the 2008 Nissan GT-R, the GR40 is more than a worthy comparison, showing how you can take a good, inexpensive sports car like the Mustang and with the right reengineering turn it into a street legal car that can be autocrossed, raced or used for embarrassing unsuspecting Porsche or Ferrari Drivers. It is without question, the best handling car I have ever driven, with superb steering, incredible Griggs brakes, handling and balance. It was my best lap ever at Laguna Seca.
edit: this info is for anyone wanting to make an informed decision on the new s-197 mustang suspension. i have no affiliation with griggs, or with those who i have quoted above. its just that everywhere i turn someone is raving about the products and performance that comes from griggs racing. it is expensive(3600 for the starter kit). with that however you get the full rear suspension that includes the 2 adjustable koni coil overs, and the 2+ years it took griggs to engineer and design this suspension and correct chassis geometry. you also get the ground control coil overs built to griggs specs for the front of your mustang. if you don't know about the quality of ground control suspension do a search over on the bmw forums...
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It seems you guys have missed the point. 
So I've attached the original post so you can have another stab at it...
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j0eyabs is looking for a cost effective kit to increase the handling capabilities and lose the ride height that he feels is just too high for a sports car.
Yet you keep showing him things that cost THOUSANDS of dollars, more than twice what he wants to spend. We all can agree that with bottomless pockets, you can have your cake and eat it too, but that's not what this thread is about, so take it elsewhere.
He also says that he doesn't mind a 'sportier' ride:
So let's stay on topic and suggest things that are actually applicable to his question.
Geez, didn't know I'd be giving a reading lesson today.
j0eyabs- My suggestion is based on wanting to do similar things. I personally like the BMR lowering kit which you can find for ~$475 if you shop around. I'd say start with the basics and work your way up. That way you can enjoy the ride along the way. I mean, life just isn't as fun, if you can't step back and enjoy it for a while.
So I've attached the original post so you can have another stab at it...
I was considering upgrading the Bullitts suspension. I was gonna get steeda springs, adjustable panahrd bar, etc, etc but feel like it will be a waste of money for a street car. What experience does anyone have with the ford racing suspension kit on the shelby GT's or the Eibach pro system plus kit. I was looking for a total kit that costs about 1000 dollars with springs, shocks, and sway bars.
Yet you keep showing him things that cost THOUSANDS of dollars, more than twice what he wants to spend. We all can agree that with bottomless pockets, you can have your cake and eat it too, but that's not what this thread is about, so take it elsewhere.
He also says that he doesn't mind a 'sportier' ride:
I dont mind ride quality too much both my SVT focus and Mustang SVO had very stiff suspensions and it doesnt bother me. I just want something that will make the car handle cause as it stands now it scares me to go around corners at any kind of quick speed because the suspension on the car is average at best for a sports car. I drove the shebly GT and the suspension and ride was good but I didnt get to push too much because of the sales guy. I am just wondering if its worth it of if I should spend the extra 700-800 dollars and get something better. I know the Sheby GT pulls around .94g's which is something I would like to be around. Also something I can take to a track maybe 1 -2 times a year and feel safe in driving around the track. I wouldnt feel safe in the setup it has now. Just wondering whats better Eibach, Ford Racing, or just spend more and get like a steeda setup with some maxim motorsports products. I dont want to go to serious because I have my SVO for that but still want something that will make the Bullitt more fun to drive and give it a better stance.
Geez, didn't know I'd be giving a reading lesson today.
j0eyabs- My suggestion is based on wanting to do similar things. I personally like the BMR lowering kit which you can find for ~$475 if you shop around. I'd say start with the basics and work your way up. That way you can enjoy the ride along the way. I mean, life just isn't as fun, if you can't step back and enjoy it for a while.
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That fact is that people like me are not planning on lowering their cars.
You forget what a quantum leap this car is over the original muscle cars.
The stock Mustang does not in any way resemble a 4x4 truck.
You call people names and accuse them of falsehoods for having a point of view.
You have a lot of growing up to do son.
You forget what a quantum leap this car is over the original muscle cars.
The stock Mustang does not in any way resemble a 4x4 truck.
You call people names and accuse them of falsehoods for having a point of view.
You have a lot of growing up to do son.
I didn't forget that. I cherish that. WTF?
We'll have to agree to disagree here, I and many others feel the stock Mustang sits way to high, but maybe you like it cause you have to drive 1/2 a mile down a dirt road twice a day...
You're right, I was wrong to call him names, and I apologize. I just get so frustrated when people feel obliged to side track others and try to lead them in another direction. It's your opinions and your entitled to it, but aren't we here to help others with their questions??? Not tell them they are wrong for asking!?
YOU my son have A LOT of growing up to do.
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i am really not understanding the whole want of less suspension travel in a daily driver? specifically since the bullitt was pulling lap times better than the shelby gt at miller motorsports park?
if you do anything i would suggest the griggs kit. its twice as expensive but it will change the attachment points out back while putting the entire car on adjustable coilovers.
http://www.griggsracing.com/product_...roducts_id=603
if you do anything i would suggest the griggs kit. its twice as expensive but it will change the attachment points out back while putting the entire car on adjustable coilovers.
http://www.griggsracing.com/product_...roducts_id=603I like the Watts link much better than some of the others available.
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The point is that you act like you weren't around when those cars came out and don't appreciate the difference.
You're right, I was wrong to call him names, and I apologize. I just get so frustrated when people feel obliged to side track others and try to lead them in another direction. It's your opinions and your entitled to it, but aren't we here to help others with their questions??? Not tell them they are wrong for asking!?
I am not YOUR son. My use of the term was directly related to your behavior.
I feel personally that you have show lack of respect for others in the manner of young man.
Thus my comment.
At this point in my life I need no growing up, but sometimes it is hard to prevent myself from regressing to a level which you have displayed regardless of age.
Please PM me if you have further commentary digressing from the thread.
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you have to have a goal for yourself before you even begin. if you dont like roll and you dont mind a lack of travel(keep in mind its no fun to bottom out on a pot hole going 40+mph) spend a couple hundred and just get a good set of lowering springs. this is all you will need.
if you want something more or want to build up to something save your money and dont buy crap that does not improve(chasis geometry) anything! a friend of mine did just that, bought cheap from here and there and before he was done it cost him ove 4k with instal.
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here is a 5.0 article about the stuff i was stating...
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...ion/index.html
this setup is now out. it is the link i first posted, including the full rear and front ground control coil overs.
you should also notice this qoute from 5.0...
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...ion/index.html
Because not everyone can afford anSLA frontend, Griggs would normally offer a strut frontend as its entry-level and the SLA as an up-market option. But the company prefers Koni dampers, and Koni has yet to import struts for the S197, so the Griggs strut-based suspension is yet to come.
you should also notice this qoute from 5.0...
An important option is Griggs' newly developed spindle. This strong billet-aluminum piece provides a 2-inch drop in ride height for a lower center of gravity, but without the geometry-destroying characteristics of lower springs or other tricks.
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The thread is about upgrading a Bullitt suspension, please pay attention. You turned it into an argument about lowering and abuse. I can contribute here because I have been looking into Watts Link and other suspension upgrades myself. This thread interested me.
The point is that you act like you weren't around when those cars came out and don't appreciate the difference.
I never said you couldn't lower yours all you want. Throwing insults likening it to truck and jabbing me about driving down a dirt roads is not making you appear more knowledgeable, thus downgrading your credibility.
You have sidetracked things quite enough yourself. Helping does not seem to be your strong point by your posts. If some one has an opinion that is wrong to ask a question because they personally feel it is absurd, so be it. I do not have a problem with upgrades to any suspension and enjoy input of all kinds.
I am not YOUR son. My use of the term was directly related to your behavior.
I feel personally that you have show lack of respect for others in the manner of young man.
Thus my comment.
At this point in my life I need no growing up, but sometimes it is hard to prevent myself from regressing to a level which you have displayed regardless of age.
Please PM me if you have further commentary digressing from the thread.
The point is that you act like you weren't around when those cars came out and don't appreciate the difference.
I never said you couldn't lower yours all you want. Throwing insults likening it to truck and jabbing me about driving down a dirt roads is not making you appear more knowledgeable, thus downgrading your credibility.
You have sidetracked things quite enough yourself. Helping does not seem to be your strong point by your posts. If some one has an opinion that is wrong to ask a question because they personally feel it is absurd, so be it. I do not have a problem with upgrades to any suspension and enjoy input of all kinds.
I am not YOUR son. My use of the term was directly related to your behavior.
I feel personally that you have show lack of respect for others in the manner of young man.
Thus my comment.
At this point in my life I need no growing up, but sometimes it is hard to prevent myself from regressing to a level which you have displayed regardless of age.
Please PM me if you have further commentary digressing from the thread.
HAHA!
What a DEUCHE! Can't even admit when he's wrong! I'll say it again, YOU my son, HAVE A LOT OF GROWING UP TO DO. Maybe you'll get there in your next life!
IT TAKES RESPECT TO GET RESPECT. Thank you.
The point is clear that he was helped by myself and others that did not suggest items beyond his budget or desire. All you did was clutter this thread with items left better for someone with DEEP pockets.
j0eyabs- I think you'll be happy with the springs and shocks. Please post some pics when you get them installed!