Shelby's Ultimate Insult...
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... Now in the latest debacle he has filed for a trademark on the acronym and company name "SAAC" a mark he knows full well has been in use by others that looked up to him, recorded his accomplishments, called him friend, and even attempted to support him through all of the other mess listed above...
Parts of the answer are simple. For those who were not affected or inflicted, the persistent rumblings were ignored and the rubbing of elbows with Shelby literally and figuratively has been cherished, encouraged, and promoted by SAAC. You might say credibility, status, financial benefits, among other intangibles are very likely to have played a role which is exactly what many of the late jump-in-the-Shelby-choo-choo-train are doing. So actually they cannot be blamed for being the new generation of Shelby apologists where SAAC has had a monopoly for decades.
It has been proven forever and a day, as long as history has been recorded. Any person or institution which compromises morals, integrity, or loyalty is not likely to provide exemptions for anyone or anything regardless of who or what they are, the only unsettled factor is when will it happen. The interests always take priority over principles and never changes as SAAC has painfully discovered.
I can understand and feel obliged to support SAAC's requests but in essence it can be said SAAC has been the lesser of the two evils, IMO.
Shelby fires back:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071208/clsa003.html?.v=27
Wow - The SAAC guys had full control of the club they created and all of their efforts until they entered into a licensing agreement with Shelby, and now he stands to take it all from them. From the perspective of shrew business moves, the whole manuever is elegant in its execution. There should be a chapter in the Art of War added just to feature it.
And just to be clear, I'm not saying that any of all of the stuff in that press release isn't true (not saying that it is either
). Regardless, of all people, the SAAC guys should have known better. They played with fire and now they are getting burned.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071208/clsa003.html?.v=27
Carroll Shelby Licensing Responds to Comments by Ken Eber and Rick Kopec
Saturday December 8, 1:04 am ET
GARDENA, Calif., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Carroll Shelby, CEO of Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., (CSL) has issued a statement in response to allegations made by the owners of the organization formerly known as the Shelby American Automobile Club.
I wanted to explain my concerns to the members of the Shelby American Automobile Club directly, but couldn't because SAAC has refused to give me a list of its members, even though the licensee agreement with SAAC requires them to allow me access to their books and records. So I am being forced to share the facts through a news release.
Rick Kopec and Ken Eber, two of the individuals who run the for-profit business called SAAC, have said that they don't know why we didn't renew their annual license. That's not true. We've sent e-mails, made phone calls and mailed letters explaining our concerns for quite some time. Except for the message noted at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm> http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm, they went unanswered. For the past several years, I've repeatedly told them that I was unhappy with their disregard of the reporting requirements of their license agreement and the way they managed the club. And, for the past eight years, their business hasn't kept the terms of its extremely favorable agreement with my licensing company, Carroll Shelby Licensing.
Here are the primary reasons that we did not renew the license for this business:
-- For many years, I loaned truckloads of memorabilia to the club and provided 1960s production records for the registry; Kopec and Eber promised that everything would be returned to me whenever I asked. In fact, that's what Kopec admits to on page 11 of the last printed edition of the "Shelby American World Registry," which was published in 1997. But they have refused to do so, and I'm told they have sold many of the items, like cancelled Shelby American checks, over the Internet and the like. This is not what anyone had in mind when I let them borrow my things, or my licensing company granted them a license.
-- Under the terms of their licensing agreement with CSL, they were required to provide annual and quarterly sales reports, as well as certified statements of sales and a full audit. Also, if requested, they were to allow us 'free and full access' to their books, records and accounts. They have not done any of these things, even though I've personally asked them many times.
-- They've never provided proof of the basic liability insurance required by the license agreement. This could expose me personally and all of my companies to enormous liability.
-- They failed for nine years to even ask for, much less receive advance approvals from CSL of the thousands of products and product designs they've been selling under license, even though the license agreement clearly states that this failure is grounds for "immediate" termination.
-- They didn't even pay the $1 per year licensing fee for the past nine years.
-- CSL not only has the right not to renew SAAC's license (which was made for only one year at a time for a reason), but in light of their continued disregard for the license agreement requirements, my trademarks and other intellectual property rights are at great risk if I allow this to continue.
Kopec and Eber say SAAC has 5,000 members who pay almost a quarter-million dollars in dues each year. Then there are advertising revenues, sponsorships and money made at the SAAC national convention. In return, from what I can tell, members receive just one mediocre publication and a couple of classified advertising newsletters.
And where is the Registry that has been promised year after year? The last one was published 10 years ago. I have received many calls from people who have paid hundreds of dollars for a Registry; they have threatened lawsuits against me and my companies because they have not received their book. The basic information in the Registry about colors, how many cars were built, etc., should be regularly updated and available online for instant access by members.
Kopec and Eber recently offered sponsorship of the club to a kit car maker. I have no issue with the individuals who buy kit cars and love the Shelby brand. But, would GM let Chrysler sponsor the Corvette Club? Would Harley Davidson ignore an attempt by Kawasaki to sponsor the Harley Owners Group?
I tried for years to address changes that should be made, but my requests fell on deaf ears. Some of the correspondence concerning this matter can be found at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com/> www.shelbylicensing.com. So my licensing company and I asked Eber and Kopec to return the 1960s records and items they originally promised to give back to me, as well as those they have collected over the years using my name under license. And I told them that they can't use my name or the name of my company anymore, and to dispose of their inventory as required by the license agreement.
Now they want club members to give them hard-earned money to defend their business interests. Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me when they won't even tell anyone, much less my licensing company, how much money the club has made over the years collecting member dues and selling 'Shelby' memorabilia and merchandise for a royalty fee of only $1.00. Are they fighting me because they're really afraid for the Registry or do they fear giving us financials, which they've been required to do, but refused?
Shelby enthusiasts, as well as SAAC club members and registrars deserve better. They should have a club that provides good value and benefits everyone who is involved. They deserve a club that leverages technology to share information and runs events that encourage people to enjoy their cars. They deserve to be treated with class and respect. To say that Team Shelby will negatively impact the value of Shelby cars is ridiculous.
I've received probably 250 telephone calls from people asking me to check on whether a particular Cobra or Mustang they wanted to buy is authentic. The next thing I hear from them is that Ken Eber has bought it. Where I come from, when there's that much smoke there's usually some sort of fire!
Also, I've been told many times by members that Ken Eber has said that he doesn't need Carroll Shelby. Well, now he won't have to bother with me and I won't have to bother with him. And, it seems to me that they make enough money that they don't need to go around poor-mouthing to the Club members to finance their legal defense fund against me. Shame on both of them! And, as far as Ken and Rick's associate, Mr. Pardee, the Club members should ask him how much of my personal memorabilia is being stored in his garage that, by all rights, should come back to me. Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that?
The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work. It's my right to stop letting someone use my name and the name of my legacy company, Shelby American, when they won't listen to me or keep the terms of the licensing agreement they signed many years ago. Team Shelby won't be run that way. You have my word on it."
Saturday December 8, 1:04 am ET
GARDENA, Calif., Dec. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Carroll Shelby, CEO of Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc., (CSL) has issued a statement in response to allegations made by the owners of the organization formerly known as the Shelby American Automobile Club.
I wanted to explain my concerns to the members of the Shelby American Automobile Club directly, but couldn't because SAAC has refused to give me a list of its members, even though the licensee agreement with SAAC requires them to allow me access to their books and records. So I am being forced to share the facts through a news release.
Rick Kopec and Ken Eber, two of the individuals who run the for-profit business called SAAC, have said that they don't know why we didn't renew their annual license. That's not true. We've sent e-mails, made phone calls and mailed letters explaining our concerns for quite some time. Except for the message noted at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm> http://www.shelbylicensing.com./press.htm, they went unanswered. For the past several years, I've repeatedly told them that I was unhappy with their disregard of the reporting requirements of their license agreement and the way they managed the club. And, for the past eight years, their business hasn't kept the terms of its extremely favorable agreement with my licensing company, Carroll Shelby Licensing.
Here are the primary reasons that we did not renew the license for this business:
-- For many years, I loaned truckloads of memorabilia to the club and provided 1960s production records for the registry; Kopec and Eber promised that everything would be returned to me whenever I asked. In fact, that's what Kopec admits to on page 11 of the last printed edition of the "Shelby American World Registry," which was published in 1997. But they have refused to do so, and I'm told they have sold many of the items, like cancelled Shelby American checks, over the Internet and the like. This is not what anyone had in mind when I let them borrow my things, or my licensing company granted them a license.
-- Under the terms of their licensing agreement with CSL, they were required to provide annual and quarterly sales reports, as well as certified statements of sales and a full audit. Also, if requested, they were to allow us 'free and full access' to their books, records and accounts. They have not done any of these things, even though I've personally asked them many times.
-- They've never provided proof of the basic liability insurance required by the license agreement. This could expose me personally and all of my companies to enormous liability.
-- They failed for nine years to even ask for, much less receive advance approvals from CSL of the thousands of products and product designs they've been selling under license, even though the license agreement clearly states that this failure is grounds for "immediate" termination.
-- They didn't even pay the $1 per year licensing fee for the past nine years.
-- CSL not only has the right not to renew SAAC's license (which was made for only one year at a time for a reason), but in light of their continued disregard for the license agreement requirements, my trademarks and other intellectual property rights are at great risk if I allow this to continue.
Kopec and Eber say SAAC has 5,000 members who pay almost a quarter-million dollars in dues each year. Then there are advertising revenues, sponsorships and money made at the SAAC national convention. In return, from what I can tell, members receive just one mediocre publication and a couple of classified advertising newsletters.
And where is the Registry that has been promised year after year? The last one was published 10 years ago. I have received many calls from people who have paid hundreds of dollars for a Registry; they have threatened lawsuits against me and my companies because they have not received their book. The basic information in the Registry about colors, how many cars were built, etc., should be regularly updated and available online for instant access by members.
Kopec and Eber recently offered sponsorship of the club to a kit car maker. I have no issue with the individuals who buy kit cars and love the Shelby brand. But, would GM let Chrysler sponsor the Corvette Club? Would Harley Davidson ignore an attempt by Kawasaki to sponsor the Harley Owners Group?
I tried for years to address changes that should be made, but my requests fell on deaf ears. Some of the correspondence concerning this matter can be found at <http://www.shelbylicensing.com/> www.shelbylicensing.com. So my licensing company and I asked Eber and Kopec to return the 1960s records and items they originally promised to give back to me, as well as those they have collected over the years using my name under license. And I told them that they can't use my name or the name of my company anymore, and to dispose of their inventory as required by the license agreement.
Now they want club members to give them hard-earned money to defend their business interests. Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me when they won't even tell anyone, much less my licensing company, how much money the club has made over the years collecting member dues and selling 'Shelby' memorabilia and merchandise for a royalty fee of only $1.00. Are they fighting me because they're really afraid for the Registry or do they fear giving us financials, which they've been required to do, but refused?
Shelby enthusiasts, as well as SAAC club members and registrars deserve better. They should have a club that provides good value and benefits everyone who is involved. They deserve a club that leverages technology to share information and runs events that encourage people to enjoy their cars. They deserve to be treated with class and respect. To say that Team Shelby will negatively impact the value of Shelby cars is ridiculous.
I've received probably 250 telephone calls from people asking me to check on whether a particular Cobra or Mustang they wanted to buy is authentic. The next thing I hear from them is that Ken Eber has bought it. Where I come from, when there's that much smoke there's usually some sort of fire!
Also, I've been told many times by members that Ken Eber has said that he doesn't need Carroll Shelby. Well, now he won't have to bother with me and I won't have to bother with him. And, it seems to me that they make enough money that they don't need to go around poor-mouthing to the Club members to finance their legal defense fund against me. Shame on both of them! And, as far as Ken and Rick's associate, Mr. Pardee, the Club members should ask him how much of my personal memorabilia is being stored in his garage that, by all rights, should come back to me. Even though the three of them have slandered me by making public statements that I am 'evil,' I'm still entitled to get my personal belongings back. Who can disagree with that?
The bottom line is my legacy should be left in the hands of my family and real enthusiasts. I want to extend an offer to the local clubs to contact my office and arrange for a license to use the Shelby and Cobra name at the same base cost that we offered SAAC of $1. This will allow them to continue their great work. It's my right to stop letting someone use my name and the name of my legacy company, Shelby American, when they won't listen to me or keep the terms of the licensing agreement they signed many years ago. Team Shelby won't be run that way. You have my word on it."
And just to be clear, I'm not saying that any of all of the stuff in that press release isn't true (not saying that it is either
). Regardless, of all people, the SAAC guys should have known better. They played with fire and now they are getting burned.
Ok, I've got to give my .02. First of all, all of you that are perfect in every way, keep on with your criticism. Let me share my short story reguarding this Legend.
As I was lying in the hospital awaiting my heart transplant, friends of mine called the Carroll Shelby Foundation to seek donations to be raffled off as fundraisers for my family. The first and imediate answer wash NO! Then they explained the common bond of my pending heart transplant. My friend was put on hold a few minutes and then was told a box of signed
memorabilia would be on it's way. I thought this was awesome.
With that said, did Carroll ok that, or people behind the scences? That's my point, who knows who is making the decissions. Carroll will always be a great icon to me.
As I was lying in the hospital awaiting my heart transplant, friends of mine called the Carroll Shelby Foundation to seek donations to be raffled off as fundraisers for my family. The first and imediate answer wash NO! Then they explained the common bond of my pending heart transplant. My friend was put on hold a few minutes and then was told a box of signed
memorabilia would be on it's way. I thought this was awesome.
With that said, did Carroll ok that, or people behind the scences? That's my point, who knows who is making the decissions. Carroll will always be a great icon to me.
As I was lying in the hospital awaiting my heart transplant, friends of mine called the Carroll Shelby Foundation to seek donations to be raffled off as fundraisers for my family. The first and imediate answer was NO! Then they explained the common bond of my pending heart transplant. My friend was put on hold a few minutes and then was told a box of signed
memorabilia would be on it's way. I thought this was awesome.
memorabilia would be on it's way. I thought this was awesome.
That said, I would try to make sure that a gift of signed hats from [insert name of controversial/quasi-controversial figure here], while much appreciated, wouldn't do too much to change my opinion/impression of his/her "legacy". Any other approach is a little silly... for example,
I got a signed place mat from Yoko Ono - she is the best Beatles wife ever!
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"... Now they want club members to give them hard-earned money to defend their business interests..."

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I am choking with emotion about his newly found concern for our hard earned money.
"... Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me ..."

The nerve of those guys!

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I am choking with emotion about his newly found concern for our hard earned money.

"... Eber and Kopec are asking people to help sue me ..."

The nerve of those guys!
I can't see why anyone is on Shelby's case over this? He has the right to protect what is his! And everyone on this site would do the same thing if you were him.
SAAC is using his name and his legacy to draw in big money- all the while refuses to disclose any information to Shelby.
So Shelby is saying- fine, you had your chance and now I'm pulling the plug on your operation.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
SAAC is using his name and his legacy to draw in big money- all the while refuses to disclose any information to Shelby.
So Shelby is saying- fine, you had your chance and now I'm pulling the plug on your operation.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
Rick nails it here, quoted from the above link:
Originally Posted by Rick Kopec
"There are serious issues to be settled here, none of which will be decided on the internet"
Your point appears to be that we should just ignore it all and wait for the outcome to arrive. I think everyone here is well aware that he who argues the best on the Internet is not going to determine what happens.
That is the case with discussion of every current event, every breaking news story, and even every Internet post by someone about their favorite sports team, which kind of car is better, what wheels look best, etc.
For parties involved in a litigation or potential litigation - absolutely - keep quiet, because you are otherwise endangering your legal position. But for people not involved - that is precisely what the Internet and message boards in particular are here for - to freely discuss topics of interest. I generally find those that interject the obvious fact, "we're not going to settle this here" or "this is pointless", etc. to be those that don't like what they are hearing or those with the weaker arguments/positions.
If all discussions that didn't have a direct causal link to the outcome of a given matter were removed from the Internet, there wouldn't be many threads left on this site. If you don't think posting about Shelby's zany antics is worth your time that is fine. Pointing out something we all already know is far more pointless, and reeks of someone who wants others to be quiet because he doesn't like what they are saying.
Besides, there is a side of this that does matter - quite a bit - public perception. Otherwise why would SAAC feel the need to make Shelby's letter public, and why would Shelby feel the need to answer for himself?
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