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Will SVT Return?

Old Nov 12, 2007 | 10:38 PM
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I'd love to see the Adrenalin get made.

400hp, AWD, Sport Track.

I need something that can pull a boat but is fine to drive and can handle winter.
Ford is releasing the Adrenalin for 08' but its not an SVT it is basicaly an appearance package from what i have herd
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
Ford is releasing the Adrenalin for 08' but its not an SVT it is basicaly an appearance package from what i have herd
If it's all show and no go, then forget it.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AWmustang
If it's all show and no go, then forget it.
I feel your pain, I was holding out hoping for it's release. I had the money saved and was ready for a purchase but now i'm looking into other alternatives since I am looking for more than an appearence package.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
I feel your pain, I was holding out hoping for it's release. I had the money saved and was ready for a purchase but now i'm looking into other alternatives since I am looking for more than an appearence package.
You could buy it and an aftermarket S/C and do it yourself.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Nah, i'd rather buy a SRT Jeep or an SS trailblazer and get a warrenty
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 08:38 PM
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I want an SVT Fusion is the worst way is there any truth to Ford making one in the future?
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
I want an SVT Fusion is the worst way is there any truth to Ford making one in the future?
There's an SVT truck (new Lightning most likely) first, probably sometime this next year. There will be a hot Fusion, but after the MY 2009 refresh.

If you're worried about warranties, I would steer clear of any Cerebus products until we're sure they aren't going anywhere. Just becuase they say you have a lifetime warranty now, doesn't mean anyone will be around to honor it in a year or two.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Nah to be honest i'm looking at a Mazdaspeed 6. It is the closest I can get to a Fusion SVT. It shares the same platform but the 6 has AWD and a turbo 4 with 275hp. Sport trucks are just way too much money for me at this time.
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 09:08 AM
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My roomate has a Speed6.... awesome car.
The AWD is very eager to send power to the back wheels so you can easily get power on oversteer on dry city streets.

The clutch does take some getting used to. And the trunk is smaller than a normal 6 sedan, with seats that do not fold down. But it's the most fun you can get in 4 doors for less than $30k
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AWmustang
My roomate has a Speed6.... awesome car.
The AWD is very eager to send power to the back wheels so you can easily get power on oversteer on dry city streets.

The clutch does take some getting used to. And the trunk is smaller than a normal 6 sedan, with seats that do not fold down. But it's the most fun you can get in 4 doors for less than $30k
See thats my point! Ford owns Mazda! I personally perfer the looks of the Fusion inside and out over the 6. But, because I want a fun daily driver i'm forced to not buy Ford. The Madaspeed 6 isn't the only example of a fun Ford product we can't get at your local Ford dealership. What about the kick-*ss Falcon cars in Australia or the European Focus that has been around for 4-5 yrs now! How does Ford expect to survive against the likes of Toyota, Honda and a reviving GM when the American public can't even purchase the best Ford has to offer!
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 12:01 AM
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I really hate to say this, but Ford does not own Mazda..Ford shares an alliance partnership with them, and are also shareholders..Much in the same way as GM does with Saab, and Subaru..

However, Mazda remains independently owned..and also remains headquartered, and based in Japan..In addition, the Mazdaspeed 6..Is not an actual Ford product, nor are any of their other vehicles..
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 01:12 AM
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I really hate to say this, but Ford does not own Mazda..Ford shares an alliance partnership with them, and are also shareholders..Much in the same way as GM does with Saab, and Subaru..
Ford owns a controlling interest in Mazda: while the Hiroshhima crew are technically their own company than can do nothing without Ford's say-so, and they pretty much have to do whatever Ford says. They're kind of like a conquered country, though without ethic cleansing. As a result, Mazda is as integrated with Ford as possible without being an actual "official" branch of the parent company. GMs partnerships are much more loose, and in some cases vary product-to-product.

So yes, on a purely technical level Mazda is not "Ford." However, they function as a branch of Ford for all intents and purposes. So what point is there in bringing that point up anyway??
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 02:56 AM
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So what point is there in bringing that point up anyway??
yeah what is the point? the guy still can't buy a fun ford.
he still has to buy a mazda.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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The Mazda 6 is made on the same assembly line as the Mustang. And I mean the exact same line... You might see Mustang, Mustang, 6, Mustang, 6, 6, 6.... and so on. So either the 6 is a Ford product or the Mustang is a Mazda product.

The Mazdaspeed6, however, is produced in Japan.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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I dunno how the whole ownership goes but I do know that the 6 shares the same platform as the Fusion. What I really wanted was an SVT Fusion and the closest I could get is a Mazdaspeed 6. Why doesnt Ford take a shortcut put all the goodies from the Madaspeed6 (AWD, 6speed, turbo 4) and put it into a production Fusion and slap an SVT badge on it! Though the body panels are different sitting inside of the Mazda is similar to the Fusion even small stuff like the light switches are the same...actually come to think of it the 6 has the same ac vents as the s197 Mustang.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Moosetang
Ford owns a controlling interest in Mazda: while the Hiroshhima crew are technically their own company than can do nothing without Ford's say-so, and they pretty much have to do whatever Ford says. They're kind of like a conquered country, though without ethic cleansing. As a result, Mazda is as integrated with Ford as possible without being an actual "official" branch of the parent company. GMs partnerships are much more loose, and in some cases vary product-to-product.

So yes, on a purely technical level Mazda is not "Ford." However, they function as a branch of Ford for all intents and purposes. So what point is there in bringing that point up anyway??
The point is..There's a huge difference, in having a controlling interest, vs ownership over an entire company..

Although Mazda can do nothing without Ford's say-so, it's just as you pointed out..Mazda is not an official branch of Ford, just as Mazda's vehicles, are not official Ford products..Which includes the Mazda 6, and Mazdaspeed 6..

As for the Mazda 6, being built alongside the Mustang is concerned...That is a direct result, of Ford and Mazda's alliance partnership, and nothing more..Hence the plant name (Auto Alliance International ) Therefore the Mustang and Mazda 6, do not share the same product lines with one another.

Even though Ford and Mazda, share technology together.. they still remain as 2 independent companies, from one another..And until there's an actual merger..Their product lines, also remain separate from one another as well...That's my point !
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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I must admit the Focus was a disaster for SVT and the 04' Cobras and Lightings sold at rebate in late 04' But, this was in part because both the Mustang and F-150 were about to receive new body styles. Too bad though... I thought the next gen Lighting concept was really cool, The Roush and Saleen F-150s don't do it for me mostly because of their price points and minimal if any performance gain on the Lighting
Why was it a disaster?? Big Brakes, Wide Tires, 6 speed, easy to mod and good gas mileage. Iv'e got one and it is one of the funnest cars I have ever driven, it handles great, I think the Magazine critics even liked it!!
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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Why was it a disaster?? Big Brakes, Wide Tires, 6 speed, easy to mod and good gas mileage. Iv'e got one and it is one of the funnest cars I have ever driven, it handles great, I think the Magazine critics even liked it!!
From a peformance standpoint. From a money-making standpoint it stunk out loud.
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 10:42 PM
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My friend has an SVT Focus and it is a fun little zippy car but they should have given it some more grunt. I think they should have went the same route as the other American sport compacts, a supercharger! I don't understand how they Supercharged the Cobra and the Lightning but not the Focus. The Cobalt SS and Neon SRT4 both were supercharged and had over 200HP each. I think the Focus only had something like 170? But one thing that amazes me about the Focus was that it was the best equiped SVT of the time. My friend's 04' has HIDs and heated seats....can't get that in a Cobra or Lightning
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Cobalt SS is supercharged but the Neon SRT 4 and the new Caliber SRT4 are turbocharged

Either way, you are right... that focus needed forced induction.
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