First off i have no reason to steal from anyone. Second if you read my last post i says...In other words if there is something that goes wrong i will put the stock file back in, hoping that all goes good, and take it in with all intentions of telling my service provider what happened.

 

Sorry, but that's not what you said. Ford will not be able to diagnose the problem and the failure with the tune that was not present with the part failed. There is no reason for you to tinker with the car's computer before taking it in for a powertrain warranty claim unless you wish to defraud someone.

This is simply a CYA on a message board scenario.

 

And there is no reason why Ford should deny to repair something that a tune really could have not caused, but that is always a risk, too. If we could all trust dealerships to be honest, that would be a different story. Since they are so often not, it then just turns into a game between them and you where tuning it back to stock can be needed to even get what should be fair. It is not a world where you can always be honest and get what is legally supposed to be your just and fair share.

 

 

I've owned Fords for 41 years and I don't consider anything I do to MY car defrauding or stealing from Ford. There's been times that Ford has stole from me on warranty claims. Do you even own a Mustang ?

 

Your car is your property and you can do with it what you wish. Just don't expect Ford to pay to fix your powertrain modifications under the new car limited warranty.

I'm sorry you had bad previous experiences with warranty claims.

 

What's legal and honestly yours is spelled out in the new car limited warranty when you purchase the car. Modifying your computer code and expecting to be paid on powertrain warranty claims is not in that legal document.

Tuning your car back to stock will not help in any way when dealing with a large powertrain warranty claim. You will have to pay out of your pocket to fix your mistake.

 

This isn't a diesel that lifts the head off of the intake due to a tune with too much boost where they're going to need to dig for a reason why, and the tune that was present at the time needs to be in there.

We're talking about suspension squeaks, or a bad brake caliper. Or even an oil change! None of those are stealing from Ford.

You blow up your car and put the stock tune in and expect Ford to cover it, you're an *******.

You have a dash rattle and you put the stock tune in so that Ford doesn't give you crap about it while you're there, you're smart.

There's a big difference...

 

Moderators, please move this thread to the 2010+ Selfish Fraud Modifications section...

 

we have one of those? I have been spending all my time in the "girls jumping on trampolines" section. its a good umm.. read?

 

exactly with Chris.

If you are having an issue that is OBVIOUSLY unrelated to the tune (like "hey my MyColor stopped working) then it makes perfect sense to put the stock tune back in. You're not stealing anything or defrauding anybody.

In this situation, it's like getting pulled over for speeding and you didn't have your seatbelt on... would you put your seatbelt on before the cop came over to the car, or would you leave it off so the cop could give you crap about that? Would you look at that as if you're "defrauding" the cop from writing you up a seatbelt ticket?

 

I put the stock tune back when I take the car to the dealer for anything - even regular maintenance. This is to protect myself from the situation where they might install an "update" to the programming for some TSB or something and end up totally messing up the system.

My dealer is fairly cool about mods. They obviously won't cover warranty work for problems caused by mods but they also don't automatically assume that a mod was the cause of any problem. Seems fair enough to me.

 

But you're selling a tune that could potentially blow up your car...I mean sure, you clean up the throttle lag and open it up more but you're also putting so much more wear and tear on that engine. It's everyone's responsibility to decide and take that risk but come on.

 

His point is sound though. You know the risks as a consumer if you take the car in for service. If it's something unrelated to a modified part(s), you may not want the extra hassle that might come from some dealers. I don't blame anyone for "stocking out" before service or maintenance if they're trying to play it safe. Like Chris and others have said, going back to stock after a catastrophic failure and hoping they cover it is a low move. In an earlier post I said you should take the parts off in the off chance something else caused the failure. This means owning up if questioned if the car was modified.

Now, the other question I have with your post is this: how are you quantifying "so much more" wear and tear?

I still maintain you need to really discuss things with your dealer if you're going to mod. Know the risks, accept the responsibility. Gotta pay to play.

 

A " Good " tune will not hurt your engine. Look what ford did with the Boss. It's putting down 440 hp with the same engine plus a few added performance parts.

The Boss package is from FRPP so who covers the warranty ?

 

The chances a change in tune is going to blow up your car are slim, I mean really they are just tweaking the stock tune. It's not like they are saying there are no risks, but its not like you are adding an FI system then putting it back to stock when something goes wrong.

 

Not exactly. The Boss is a factory sold vehicle with modifications over a stock GT that give it the ability to run at higher rpms and create more hp. It carries a factory warranty, because it's a new vehicle. The Boss is not an FRPP parts bin car.

 

some of the time the after market tunes are better and they increase the life of the motor. This not always the case. For the most part aftermarket parts(tunes and actual parts) are a much better version of the stock part.

 

You need the article about the Boss in the latest issue of 5.0 magazine.

 

What is that going to show me? That you're misinformed? The car was done in house. Ford Racing tested the first prototype engines in Multimatic cars. They used Grand-Am to torture test/develop these engines further. Then, when it was all said and done, they mass produced them and sold them on the showroom floor. It's no different than a GT or Shelby, carries a factory warranty, as we've seen in documentation for Boss owners.

Now, to clarify, the TracKey software/tune was done by Ford Racing. At the end of the day, the parts still carry the warranty through Ford, like a V6, GT, or Shelby would.