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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 02:45 PM
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Track Pack a definite no in snow?

Spent the last few hours looking up info and searching about options regarding track pack vs. Brembos. This car would be a year round daily driver (been there done that with RWD cars including Mustangs, I've only ever had one FWD car so spare me the "Don't drive in the winter!" spiel).

I was assuming I'd just get track pack if I pick up a manual car, but after looking more into the TORSEN diff, I'm not so sure. Here's a couple tidbits I've found:

Originally Posted by tech100002
Keep in mind the Torsen diff in the track pack probably won't be as good driving on the street in poor weather conditions. If one wheel has no traction at all, the Torsen won't deliver any power since the power distribution is a ratio from the lower traction wheel to the higher. It would be just as bad as an open diff. On the track, that will probably never happen, but in my inclined driveway with 6 inches of snow, it happens a lot.
But then I found this:

I don't see how in the world the Torsen diff would be worse in the rain/wet than the standard 8.8 traction lock diff. In an actual one wheel with zero traction situation, the only thing that isn't going to throw power to that wheel is a locker. The advantage/characteristic of the torsen, as far as slippery conditions are concerned, is that the torsen needs very little resistance on that spinning wheel to start to function. Aside from the car fishtailing more readily on flat roads/at stoplights, I don't see any way that a torsen type diff is inferior to an open or even clutch based LSD (torsen being gear driven is more proactive vs the reactive clutch system)
1) So if you were buying the car for year round duty in a snow state, would you get the track pack or Brembos + 3.73?
2) I was always under the impression Ford did away with the standalone gear options like they had in '11-'12, but I see just now on the Ford site that you can get 3.55 or 3.73 gears without the track pack. How much are these and why aren't they part of the Build and Price tool?
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 03:30 PM
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to my knowledge on the torsen very limited as it may be... it affects by pushing into the the gears to distribute the power or minimalize it... so I don't think it would make big difference unless went into a corn with a grade... but I could be wrong... I drive me GT in snow since my beater wont run and it does fine as long as traction control is on. Though I bath it every day to get salt off so cost me quite a bit lol
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by puma1552
1) So if you were buying the car for year round duty in a snow state, would you get the track pack or Brembos + 3.73?
2) I was always under the impression Ford did away with the standalone gear options like they had in '11-'12, but I see just now on the Ford site that you can get 3.55 or 3.73 gears without the track pack. How much are these and why aren't they part of the Build and Price tool?
Brembo's $1695
3.73 $395
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 04:53 PM
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Not quite sure what tech100002 is talking about. The Torsen is meant to lock when one wheel begins to spin faster than the other. If you live someplace that will have snow in the winter just be sure to get snow tires.
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 04:57 PM
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Disclaimer: I do not own a Mustang nor have I driven one in snow.

I do have a 1994 Mazda Miata with a Torsen differential. I drive it year-round. With Michelin X-Ice Xi3's, it's virtually unstoppable in snow. I don't see why a GT with proper tires would be any different.

If I order a GT, it will be a Track Pack with Recaros. If I buy one off the lot, my preference will be for Track Pack but I'd probably settle for Brembos, assuming it has Recaros and is a color I want that is no longer orderable. I hate when I see Brembos with 3.73s because I think about what I'd be giving up for such little savings over the Track Pack.
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 05:01 PM
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The TORSEN limited slip diff will help in the snow.
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tvrbob
Disclaimer: I do not own a Mustang nor have I driven one in snow. I do have a 1994 Mazda Miata with a Torsen differential. I drive it year-round. With Michelin X-Ice Xi3's, it's virtually unstoppable in snow. I don't see why a GT with proper tires would be any different. If I order a GT, it will be a Track Pack with Recaros. If I buy one off the lot, my preference will be for Track Pack but I'd probably settle for Brembos, assuming it has Recaros and is a color I want that is no longer orderable. I hate when I see Brembos with 3.73s because I think about what I'd be giving up for such little savings over the Track Pack.
??? The track pack is $600 more than the brembo + 373 gear. You make it sound as though you'd be giving up a massive amount for $100 or something.

You loose the bigger radiator and oil cooler which does not make much difference (my brembo + 373 ran identical temps in iat, cyl head, oil, ect. As my buddies boss 302 at track days) and the torsen which are notorious for breaking under hard launches with a live axle rear.

I specifically passed on the track vs the brembo + 373. I spent the extra money I saved on other more useful features.

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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 07:04 PM
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unstoppable with non-summer tires.

Drive my Mustang year-around
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 07:20 PM
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The gears are $395...dealer cost is $353.
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 07:44 PM
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Torsen is fine in the snow, probably better than the Trac-Lok.

The thing that will suck on a TP or Brembo car will be the tires, absolutely will suck in cold snow/ice conditions.
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by typesredline
??? The track pack is $600 more than the brembo + 373 gear. You make it sound as though you'd be giving up a massive amount for $100 or something.

You loose the bigger radiator and oil cooler which does not make much difference (my brembo + 373 ran identical temps in iat, cyl head, oil, ect. As my buddies boss 302 at track days) and the torsen which are notorious for breaking under hard launches with a live axle rear.

I specifically passed on the track vs the brembo + 373. I spent the extra money I saved on other more useful features.
You're also giving up the Torsen diff, no?

I should have said I hate it when I see dealers spec them like that. If that's how you want your own car spec'd, that's fine. I personally don't find the savings worth it for what I'd be giving up. So when I see a car that has everything I want, except for that, I don't like it.
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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 08:45 PM
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100% get the track pack. I really don't see any cons worth getting a less-optioned Mustang in this case. I think finances would be the ONLY opposition, not snow.

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Old Jan 19, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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My car, with Blizzaks, has gotten me through 2 heavy snows this winter already. The diff makes zero difference.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by typesredline
??? The track pack is $600 more than the brembo + 373 gear. You make it sound as though you'd be giving up a massive amount for $100 or something.

You loose the bigger radiator and oil cooler which does not make much difference (my brembo + 373 ran identical temps in iat, cyl head, oil, ect. As my buddies boss 302 at track days) and the torsen which are notorious for breaking under hard launches with a live axle rear.

I specifically passed on the track vs the brembo + 373. I spent the extra money I saved on other more useful features.
The list price difference is actually $405 for Track Pack vs. Brembos + 3.73. Again, if that's how you prefer your car, that's totally cool. If I were a dealer, I'd be ordering with the Track Pack.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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As others have said the only issue with a Brembo or Track Pack car is the summer only Pirellis. However I drove mine on the OEM tires through 2 winters here in Mi. and it did pretty good. The stabilitrac program and TCS go along way towards making these cars easy to drive in wintery conditions. I now have Cooper Zeon RS3-A's and they are obviously much better in the snow.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tvrbob
You're also giving up the Torsen diff, no? I should have said I hate it when I see dealers spec them like that. If that's how you want your own car spec'd, that's fine. I personally don't find the savings worth it for what I'd be giving up. So when I see a car that has everything I want, except for that, I don't like it.
No worries. I love all the options available for both performance and cosmetic. It let's us be unique.

That being said, yes it gives up the torsen. But again those don't play nice with live rears. I've seen so many crumble it's not funny. I didn't want a future repair to just add a mechanical diff vs electronic.

In the process I still got the brembos which is the majority of the pkg. All the electronic tuning and suspension stuff. And the gears. Plus the back up camera and rear sensing which is phenomenal and I use everyday, all for less than the track pk.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tvrbob
The list price difference is actually $405 for Track Pack vs. Brembos + 3.73. Again, if that's how you prefer your car, that's totally cool. If I were a dealer, I'd be ordering with the Track Pack.

I would have to agree here as the small difference in price makes the TP a much better bargain. Consider how much you would have to pay for the TP add ons after the fact and you will see my point. Although the actual performance difference between the 2 on a track or autox course will be negligible.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tvrbob
The list price difference is actually $405 for Track Pack vs. Brembos + 3.73. Again, if that's how you prefer your car, that's totally cool. If I were a dealer, I'd be ordering with the Track Pack.
To each their own but I disagree. What you get in the brembo pkg is unique and noticeably upgraded over the stock version. What's added in the track pk from there is substantially less of an upgrade. Even at $400, to cooling add ons that have a minimal delta at best. And a mechanical diff that could and probably will eventually break when I already have a very good electronic one is $400 I'd like to save.

The value of the track pk is significantly less than a brembo + 373 IMO.
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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Fire
I would have to agree here as the small difference in price makes the TP a much better bargain. Consider how much you would have to pay for the TP add ons after the fact and you will see my point. Although the actual performance difference between the 2 on a track or autox course will be negligible.
Sure if you really want those 3 extra things it's a good deal because separately those 3 + brembo and 373 would be slightly more than the track pk.

However those 3 things, IMO, are useless add ons. They serve no added benefit in the real world. So it depends on prospective.

Some women buy shoes that they will never wear and don't fit just because they are 60% off. They think "what a great deal". Others would say that ugly shoes in your closet that you'll never wear is a waste of money even at $1.

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Old Jan 20, 2014 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by typesredline
Sure if you really want those 3 extra things it's a good deal because separately those 3 + brembo and 373 would be slightly more than the track pk.

However those 3 things, IMO, are useless add ons. They serve no added benefit in the real world. So it depends on prospective.

Some women buy shoes that they will never wear and don't fit just because they are 60% off. They think "what a great deal". Others would say that ugly shoes in your closet that you'll never wear is a waste of money even at $1.

I believe I said the same thing,
The TP parts do not effect the cars performance over a Brembo/3.73 combo.
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