is there any Parking Brake issues with the 2011s?
11/11/10, 07:20 AM
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is there any Parking Brake issues with the 2011s?
on my 05 if i set the parking brake, only on an incline i did this, one thanksgiving weekend it got cold and the car set for 2 days, i went to drive it and the parking brake handle released...but the actual brake didn't
i further read that this had do do with the cable getting moisture in with it and freezing
now that i own a manual car and would like to let it warm up a bit in the mornings i plan on specifically using my parking brake
is there any issues that haven't been addressed since 05?
i further read that this had do do with the cable getting moisture in with it and freezing
now that i own a manual car and would like to let it warm up a bit in the mornings i plan on specifically using my parking brake
is there any issues that haven't been addressed since 05?
11/11/10, 07:36 AM
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on my 05 if i set the parking brake, only on an incline i did this, one thanksgiving weekend it got cold and the car set for 2 days, i went to drive it and the parking brake handle released...but the actual brake didn't
i further read that this had do do with the cable getting moisture in with it and freezing
now that i own a manual car and would like to let it warm up a bit in the mornings i plan on specifically using my parking brake
is there any issues that haven't been addressed since 05?
i further read that this had do do with the cable getting moisture in with it and freezing
now that i own a manual car and would like to let it warm up a bit in the mornings i plan on specifically using my parking brake
is there any issues that haven't been addressed since 05?
11/11/10, 07:53 AM
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on my 05 if i set the parking brake, only on an incline i did this, one thanksgiving weekend it got cold and the car set for 2 days, i went to drive it and the parking brake handle released...but the actual brake didn't
i further read that this had do do with the cable getting moisture in with it and freezing
now that i own a manual car and would like to let it warm up a bit in the mornings i plan on specifically using my parking brake
is there any issues that haven't been addressed since 05?
i further read that this had do do with the cable getting moisture in with it and freezing
now that i own a manual car and would like to let it warm up a bit in the mornings i plan on specifically using my parking brake
is there any issues that haven't been addressed since 05?
11/11/10, 07:58 AM
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alltho i do have an engine block heater equipped
11/11/10, 09:04 AM
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This happens on most cars.. I rarely use mine..
11/11/10, 01:20 PM
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You should always use the parking brake since the mechanism that adjusts the rear brakes is part of the parking brake mechanism. Each time you set the parking brake it rachets up the caliper piston if there is any slack in it to keep the pads in the proper relation to the rotor.
The rear caliper does not float like the front so if you never set the parking brake then the rear caliper will be out of adjustment after a while and this will increase pedal travel before the brakes get fully applied.
The rear caliper does not float like the front so if you never set the parking brake then the rear caliper will be out of adjustment after a while and this will increase pedal travel before the brakes get fully applied.
11/11/10, 03:57 PM
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I'm terrible about not using the parking brake on any automatic trans cars I've ever had and you really should use it on those cars too just for the reason I stated above.
It will really keep the brakes on your car working better.
It will really keep the brakes on your car working better.
11/11/10, 04:05 PM
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Really??? I'm 52 years old and have owned many, many cars from more manufacturers than I have fingers. My Mustang is the first car I've owned that has this problem. I also currently own a 2001 F-150 and it does not have this problem either.
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1/16/11, 08:35 AM
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And if it wasn't running then you could have left it in gear too.
And you never know if the kid might mess with the lever releasing the brake because they don't know any better.
I remember one time when I was probably 7 years old, my dad left me sitting in his old b-tird for a few minutes. It was not running and the auto was in park. I decided I wanted to play like I was driving and I grabbed the shifter and pulled it out of park and the car rolled a little and bumped into the car ahead and banged it. Got my behind busted for that one...
1/16/11, 08:53 AM
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Frozen parking brakes are very common. That's why on an auto its not recommend to use the emergency brake in the winter for parking. It normally happens with snow on the ground though.
1/16/11, 09:43 AM
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The best way to keep your parking brake in shape is to use it often, as Ltngdrvr stated above the rears need actuated by the parking brake to adjust properly. I would even venture to say that at 200 miles in the parking brake is barely adjusted to spec not taking into account any snow or ice.
You should never depend solely on the parking brake when on a hill, just as in an automatic you shouldn't rely solely on the Park position to hold you in place on a hill! If the pin that engages in Park snaps or fails to engage properly then your car can roll off there too.
Shut off your car, leave it in gear (or Park in an auto), put on your parking brake when parking on a hill. Check, check, check. Turning your wheels in too. Check.
Take your kid with you when there isn't an adult in the car. Big check.
You should never depend solely on the parking brake when on a hill, just as in an automatic you shouldn't rely solely on the Park position to hold you in place on a hill! If the pin that engages in Park snaps or fails to engage properly then your car can roll off there too.
Shut off your car, leave it in gear (or Park in an auto), put on your parking brake when parking on a hill. Check, check, check. Turning your wheels in too. Check.
Take your kid with you when there isn't an adult in the car. Big check.
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1/16/11, 11:02 AM
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I just brought a 2011 V6 with a manual transmission last week. It has about 200 on it so far. I was parked on a hill today and I pulled my parking brakes. As I was about to get off the car I checked my brakes again to see if they were all the way up because I was leaving my daughter in it while I got some money out from the ATM. You can guess what happened next. I came back to a rolling car that had my nine year old in it and it stopped inches way from incoming traffic. And the only reason it stopped was because it ran over a median. I took my daughter out of the car and to a safe place. And then got in the car checked the brakes which were still engaged, and pulled my car to a safe spot. Later on I called the dealer to report the problem, they make it sound like it's just a minor incident. I e mailed Ford and have yet to hear from them.
I had the same thing happen to my 2007 GT/CS. I pulled into my garage, set the brake and took it out of gear as it was going to be sitting for several days. After going in the house, I hear the garage door opening, apparently, the car had rolled back and tripped the safety device causing the door to open back up. The car rolled out of the garage, down the drive and stopped after running over the curb across the street, just missing a parked roofing truck and light pole. No damage, but the roofers couldn'e believe what they were seeing. The parking brake was still enagaged. After that, parked in gear, always.
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1/16/11, 01:40 PM
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The best way to keep your parking brake in shape is to use it often, as Ltngdrvr stated above the rears need actuated by the parking brake to adjust properly. I would even venture to say that at 200 miles in the parking brake is barely adjusted to spec not taking into account any snow or ice.
You should never depend solely on the parking brake when on a hill, just as in an automatic you shouldn't rely solely on the Park position to hold you in place on a hill! If the pin that engages in Park snaps or fails to engage properly then your car can roll off there too.
Shut off your car, leave it in gear (or Park in an auto), put on your parking brake when parking on a hill. Check, check, check. Turning your wheels in too. Check.
Take your kid with you when there isn't an adult in the car. Big check.
You should never depend solely on the parking brake when on a hill, just as in an automatic you shouldn't rely solely on the Park position to hold you in place on a hill! If the pin that engages in Park snaps or fails to engage properly then your car can roll off there too.
Shut off your car, leave it in gear (or Park in an auto), put on your parking brake when parking on a hill. Check, check, check. Turning your wheels in too. Check.
Take your kid with you when there isn't an adult in the car. Big check.
Also, as far as I know, todays disc brakes dont require the parking brake to adjust (I know drum brakes do). I could be wrong though. I dont see that in any of the manuals for my cars though. Anyone see that in the 5.0 manual? It may be there and I am just overlooking.
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1/16/11, 01:43 PM
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I had the same thing happen to my 2007 GT/CS. I pulled into my garage, set the brake and took it out of gear as it was going to be sitting for several days. After going in the house, I hear the garage door opening, apparently, the car had rolled back and tripped the safety device causing the door to open back up. The car rolled out of the garage, down the drive and stopped after running over the curb across the street, just missing a parked roofing truck and light pole. No damage, but the roofers couldn'e believe what they were seeing. The parking brake was still enagaged. After that, parked in gear, always.
1/16/11, 02:36 PM
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Not true. An automatic in park is just that. The reason to engage the parking brake is to keep the pawl from getting locked in place. This would result in not being able to move from park. The emergency brake on an automatic is just that. Its not required for parking. You should use it on a hill for the reason I descibed.
Also, as far as I know, todays disc brakes dont require the parking brake to adjust (I know drum brakes do). I could be wrong though. I dont see that in any of the manuals for my cars though. Anyone see that in the 5.0 manual? It may be there and I am just overlooking.
Also, as far as I know, todays disc brakes dont require the parking brake to adjust (I know drum brakes do). I could be wrong though. I dont see that in any of the manuals for my cars though. Anyone see that in the 5.0 manual? It may be there and I am just overlooking.
Yes, the parking brake will keep the pawl from jamming. Why does it jam? Because of the backlash in the mechanism. A little misalignment in the selector mechanism or outright failure and off the car rolls away endangering life and property.
When on a hill, regardless of being in an auto or manual you should engage the parking brake IN ADDITION to leaving it in gear (manual) or park (auto) -- it's good driving practise just like signalling and checking your blind spots. Same with turning your wheels in so the car swings in against the curb rather than rolling away down the hill. This is Driving 101.
As far as rear disks are concerned, there is an internal ratcheting mechanism; when you change the rear pads you have to twist back in the piston not just compress it like the normal front disk caliper. The parking brake ratchets this mechanism out; If you don't use your parking brake often or if you accidently have driven around with your parking brake on you will need to fully pull up and fully release you parking brake a number of times to properly adjust your parking brake.
This was personally underscored for me when I hit a large animal with my other Ford car with rear disks and manual trans, the tow truck driver forgot to take the parking brake off and then towed it 50 miles (I was pissed). It took so much off the rear pads I had to crank and release the hand brake about 10 times to get it to start grabbing again (I was out of town, I changed the brakes out when I got home).
1/16/11, 02:50 PM
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Page 212 of the Manual:
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION OPERATION (IF EQUIPPED)
Driving with a 6–speed automatic transmission
Driving with a 6–speed automatic transmission
Your vehicle has been designed to improve fuel economy by reducing
fuel usage while coasting or decelerating. When you take your foot off
the accelerator pedal and the vehicle begins to slow down the torque
converter clutch locks up and aggressively shuts off fuel flow to the
engine while decelerating. This fuel economy benefit may be perceived
as a light to medium braking sensation when removing your foot from
the accelerator pedal.
This vehicle is equipped with an adaptive transmission shift strategy. The
adaptive transmission shift strategy offers the optimal transmission
operation and shift quality. When the engine is turned off, the shift data
which includes the adaptive information will be stored automatically in
the powertrain control module (PCM). If the battery is disconnected for
any reason, the stored information from the last time the key was turned
to off will be read. This way, no information will be lost with any battery
removal or battery disconnect.
fuel usage while coasting or decelerating. When you take your foot off
the accelerator pedal and the vehicle begins to slow down the torque
converter clutch locks up and aggressively shuts off fuel flow to the
engine while decelerating. This fuel economy benefit may be perceived
as a light to medium braking sensation when removing your foot from
the accelerator pedal.
This vehicle is equipped with an adaptive transmission shift strategy. The
adaptive transmission shift strategy offers the optimal transmission
operation and shift quality. When the engine is turned off, the shift data
which includes the adaptive information will be stored automatically in
the powertrain control module (PCM). If the battery is disconnected for
any reason, the stored information from the last time the key was turned
to off will be read. This way, no information will be lost with any battery
removal or battery disconnect.
P (Park)
This position locks the transmission
and prevents the rear wheels from
turning.
To put your vehicle in gear:
1. Start the engine.
2. Press the brake pedal.
3. Move the gearshift lever into the
desired gear.
To put your vehicle in P (Park):
1. Come to a complete stop.
2. Move the gearshift lever and securely latch it in P (Park).
and prevents the rear wheels from
turning.
To put your vehicle in gear:
1. Start the engine.
2. Press the brake pedal.
3. Move the gearshift lever into the
desired gear.
To put your vehicle in P (Park):
1. Come to a complete stop.
2. Move the gearshift lever and securely latch it in P (Park).
WARNING:
Always set the parking brake fully and make sure
the gearshift is latched in P (Park). Turn the ignition to the off
position and remove the key whenever you leave your vehicle.
the gearshift is latched in P (Park). Turn the ignition to the off
position and remove the key whenever you leave your vehicle.
R (Reverse)
With the gearshift lever in R (Reverse), the vehicle will move backward.
Always come to a complete stop before shifting into and out of R
1/16/11, 08:05 PM
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Not to sound like a smart ***...but it sounds like a lot of people really don't know how to use a parking brake. I haven't had any issues with mine at all. As others have stated, you have to use a parking brake on a daily basis to keep it functioning at a prime level. Those who have owned manuals a long time know the "parking brake" drill.
You pull the brake HARD to engage it and leave the car in gear. If you do that everyday, I bet you wouldn't have any issues with your brake.
You pull the brake HARD to engage it and leave the car in gear. If you do that everyday, I bet you wouldn't have any issues with your brake.