Skip Shift Anomoly 2011 GT
7/8/10, 08:59 AM
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One gear that seems to always be smooth is 3rd to 4th, no matter what the temp of the trans is. You can litteraly use two fingers to bring it back into 4th when you're just crusing around.
7/8/10, 09:51 AM
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After driving mine for a month, I have noticed something. I do not think this skip-shift feature actually makes you shift into 4th. I have shifted into 2nd several times with the message on the display with no problems. BUT... I have noticed that this tranny likes to go from 1->4 on its own. What I mean is if I simply pull straight back on the stick, it will go slightly right and into 4th, message or no message. To get to second I have to pull back and to the left when shifting. Even if I do that, it still feels like there is some resistance when I shift into 2nd. Kind of like the car wants to go from 1->4. BTW, I feel the same with 5->6 shift. I have to pull back and to the right to go to 6th, otherwise it wants to go back to 4th. Anyone else concur?
Also, only 2nd gear feels like it is resisting for me, and this is only some of the time. For all other gears the stick goes in very smoothly. Figures there was a solenoid for the skip shift feature that was making the 2nd gear gate slightly smaller or something. IDK, figure if there is a problem a TSB will eventually be released and we will all get a repair under warranty. Not to worried about it, haven't ground it yet, knock on wood.
Nope, I've noticed the same thing. Second is a bit rougher to put the shifter at. Not had any trouble picking the right gear really, though I think the metal shifter **** makes it a little easier to pull at any direction you want. I have also noticed that 6th seems just a little further out than the rest.
I've noticed this too guys! I'm relieved to hear I'm not the only oneIt's called a "spring-centered" or "center-biased" shifter ... The B&M Ripper I put on my '98 & '04 T5 transmissions worked this way too.
This was not needed with the old 4-Speeds as there was not a "center" gate.
Once you get used to it, it can actually "help" you find gears.
Without an external double H gate (typically seen on MT Ferrari's and other high end imports), I would NOT want to have a non-center biased shifter in a 6-speed car ... nor would anyone.
I'm still getting used to it in my V6, the problem is I still need to "think" about it. Last night, I went to pass a row of slow cars sitting in the left lane. I was trying to downshift into 4th from 6th (should have been easy if I let the center bias do it's job), but I ended up in 2nd and wound motor out to 5500 RPM. No big deal with these engines 6.5k+ redline, but it caught me off guard and certainly got me flustered !!
Played around with it a bit after that incident and with the 2.73 gears that I have, a downshift that puts it in the power-band at 65 MPH would have been 6th to 3rd, not 6th to 4th.
A V6 with 2.73's ...
2nd would be ideal at 35-45 MPH (3000-4000 RPM range)
3rd would be ideal at 50-70 MPH
4th would be ideal at 70-90 MPH
A V6 with 3.31's ...
2nd would be ideal at 30-35 MPH
3rd would be ideal at 40-55 MPH
4th would be ideal at 55-75 MPH
Doug
This was not needed with the old 4-Speeds as there was not a "center" gate.
Once you get used to it, it can actually "help" you find gears.
Without an external double H gate (typically seen on MT Ferrari's and other high end imports), I would NOT want to have a non-center biased shifter in a 6-speed car ... nor would anyone.
I'm still getting used to it in my V6, the problem is I still need to "think" about it. Last night, I went to pass a row of slow cars sitting in the left lane. I was trying to downshift into 4th from 6th (should have been easy if I let the center bias do it's job), but I ended up in 2nd and wound motor out to 5500 RPM. No big deal with these engines 6.5k+ redline, but it caught me off guard and certainly got me flustered !!
Played around with it a bit after that incident and with the 2.73 gears that I have, a downshift that puts it in the power-band at 65 MPH would have been 6th to 3rd, not 6th to 4th.
A V6 with 2.73's ...
2nd would be ideal at 35-45 MPH (3000-4000 RPM range)
3rd would be ideal at 50-70 MPH
4th would be ideal at 70-90 MPH
A V6 with 3.31's ...
2nd would be ideal at 30-35 MPH
3rd would be ideal at 40-55 MPH
4th would be ideal at 55-75 MPH
Doug
7/8/10, 11:42 AM
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I have noticed that. When moving your foot quickly from brake to accel, it goes back to "ready position" (lol did not know what to call it) very quickly, making a thud. Guess the brake pedal moving to a postion to be pushed again as quickly as possible is not a bad thing... Do not know if the spring is too strong or if the dead position on the pedal is too big.
7/8/10, 12:28 PM
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Yes. Once. It's difficult for me to reproduce and I don't really hear anything from it, but when I braked very lightly once I started to go to the accelerator but paused with my foot just barely touching the brake pedal still, and I felt it kick just every so slightly. I tried to reproduce it right after but didn't have success. It's very subtle on my pedal, but it's there.
7/8/10, 04:00 PM
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Ok... Here's my thoughts on this skip shift...
IF YOU ACTIVATE SKIP SHIFT, YOU'RE DRIVING THE CAR WRONG!
The ONLY WAY this this activates is when, from a dead stop, you're accelerating slow, and reach roughly 3,000 rpm's (on my 3.73 geared GT) with 1st gear, then the skip shift will activate.
If you're accelerating slow, then there's NO WAY you should be taking 1st gear up to 3,000 rpm's!
If you're accelerating fast, then it won't activate.
Thus: you should never hit skip shift while driving.
IF YOU ACTIVATE SKIP SHIFT, YOU'RE DRIVING THE CAR WRONG!
The ONLY WAY this this activates is when, from a dead stop, you're accelerating slow, and reach roughly 3,000 rpm's (on my 3.73 geared GT) with 1st gear, then the skip shift will activate.
If you're accelerating slow, then there's NO WAY you should be taking 1st gear up to 3,000 rpm's!
If you're accelerating fast, then it won't activate.
Thus: you should never hit skip shift while driving.
It really only rarely tries to get in my way.
7/10/10, 08:03 PM
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When Installing my clutch stop. I have also found out that if you dont push the clutch in far enough that will have a big effect on going into 2nd gear And it more of a problem shifting at a higher RPM's as well. If it seems a little notchy going into 2nd just make sure you are going far enough with the clutch.
I had originally set the stop to high. And while it seemed to work fine 2nd was a little tight and I was unable to shift hard into second. (ie wasn't able to chirp second)
I dropped the stop just a little lower and the notchiness went away and I can chirp second all day
I had originally set the stop to high. And while it seemed to work fine 2nd was a little tight and I was unable to shift hard into second. (ie wasn't able to chirp second)
I dropped the stop just a little lower and the notchiness went away and I can chirp second all day
7/11/10, 11:33 AM
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Gas guzzzler tax - what a JOKE. If I, the consumer, chooses to purchase a truck or performance vehicle with low gas mileage, I alone bear the fuel cost of that vehicle. There are ZERO third-parties affected. If the general public wants higher MPG vehicles, they will purchase them. This tax accomplishes nothing but give the environmentally conscious a false feeling of accomplishment.
7/11/10, 03:00 PM
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I have read somewhere that throttle position also plays a part in activating the skip shift. Cant remember where I saw this though. Could have been on the GM cars I am thinking about. The big question is how to disable it forever. I would get very annoyed with this quickly.
7/11/10, 05:41 PM
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7/13/10, 05:53 AM
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Under normal, everyday driving, it NEVER kicks in. If someone, for some reason, slowly accelerates and, instead of shifting into 2nd when they should, decides to keep taking 1st up, then it will throw you into 4th, which it really should do if you take 1st up too high.
Future buyers, you have nothing to worry about.
Future buyers, you have nothing to worry about.
7/13/10, 09:07 AM
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I've got over 600 miles on mine and the skip shift kicked in for the first time today. I was in a line of cars creeping through a construction zone. Although second was locked out, it allowed me to put it in third instead of fourth.
7/13/10, 09:18 AM
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I only read the first page, but I noticed a distinct lack of one fact: Skip shift will on activate if you are applying less than (15-25)% throttle. The most likely scenario for this to happen is when making a left turn from a stop light, in my experience.
Edit: Since it might as well all be included in one post, the following scenario's must all be met:
Between 12-20 MPH
Less than 15-20% throttle
Obviously be in first gear
Also: A very, very easy way around skip shift, which I've found myself doing just about everytime I'm turning left at an intersection: The only time skip shift will activate, is when going directly from 1 down to 2. If you shift from first, go to the center of neutral (Or, the space inbetween 3 and 4) and back to second, you will override skip shift. It's extremely quick and easy once you've done it a few times.
Edit: Since it might as well all be included in one post, the following scenario's must all be met:
Between 12-20 MPH
Less than 15-20% throttle
Obviously be in first gear
Also: A very, very easy way around skip shift, which I've found myself doing just about everytime I'm turning left at an intersection: The only time skip shift will activate, is when going directly from 1 down to 2. If you shift from first, go to the center of neutral (Or, the space inbetween 3 and 4) and back to second, you will override skip shift. It's extremely quick and easy once you've done it a few times.
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7/13/10, 11:41 AM
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7/15/10, 08:36 AM
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My skip shift kicked in a couple of times, and I would just pull it into second anyway.
I think I broke it, it don't try that **** anymore.
Also, just banged my first redlined first to second power shift. No problem!
I think I broke it, it don't try that **** anymore.
Also, just banged my first redlined first to second power shift. No problem!
7/16/10, 10:39 PM
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I personally love it. I skip every second gear anyways while cruising. 3.73s are short as hell but its nice to have them there for when you need them. But just driving around its 1-3-5 or rolling from a stop sign its 2-4-5. Plenty for low-end torque for everyday driving.
9/4/10, 11:10 PM
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Ah, now that I own my very own Mustang I can finally register and post in the forums. The information I got here before buying was invaluable - thanks to those who post worthwhile responses. Now to the question at hand.
I'm not thrilled with Skip-Shift. Really Ford? Why? Everything else was perfect. Power and MPG? Safety and a phenomenal stereo? You built the perfect daily driver race car for $28k less than an M3. And then this?
According to the Ford Racing website (link below), the "2011 MUSTANG GT POWER UPGRADE PACKAGE" eleminates Skip-Shift. In includes an air filter, oil filter, mufflers, and - you guessed it - a tuner. Does anyone have information about getting Ford Racing parts installed so that everything else (if not those parts as well) remains safely covered by factory warranty? I'd love to get rid of this, but it's not worth destroying a warranty over.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12345
P.S. If you haven't seen the MotorTrend video and review of the 2011 GT vs. the 2011 M3, find it.
I'm not thrilled with Skip-Shift. Really Ford? Why? Everything else was perfect. Power and MPG? Safety and a phenomenal stereo? You built the perfect daily driver race car for $28k less than an M3. And then this?
According to the Ford Racing website (link below), the "2011 MUSTANG GT POWER UPGRADE PACKAGE" eleminates Skip-Shift. In includes an air filter, oil filter, mufflers, and - you guessed it - a tuner. Does anyone have information about getting Ford Racing parts installed so that everything else (if not those parts as well) remains safely covered by factory warranty? I'd love to get rid of this, but it's not worth destroying a warranty over.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12345
P.S. If you haven't seen the MotorTrend video and review of the 2011 GT vs. the 2011 M3, find it.
9/4/10, 11:39 PM
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Ah, now that I own my very own Mustang I can finally register and post in the forums. The information I got here before buying was invaluable - thanks to those who post worthwhile responses. Now to the question at hand.
I'm not thrilled with Skip-Shift. Really Ford? Why? Everything else was perfect. Power and MPG? Safety and a phenomenal stereo? You built the perfect daily driver race car for $28k less than an M3. And then this?
According to the Ford Racing website (link below), the "2011 MUSTANG GT POWER UPGRADE PACKAGE" eleminates Skip-Shift. In includes an air filter, oil filter, mufflers, and - you guessed it - a tuner. Does anyone have information about getting Ford Racing parts installed so that everything else (if not those parts as well) remains safely covered by factory warranty? I'd love to get rid of this, but it's not worth destroying a warranty over.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12345
P.S. If you haven't seen the MotorTrend video and review of the 2011 GT vs. the 2011 M3, find it.
I'm not thrilled with Skip-Shift. Really Ford? Why? Everything else was perfect. Power and MPG? Safety and a phenomenal stereo? You built the perfect daily driver race car for $28k less than an M3. And then this?
According to the Ford Racing website (link below), the "2011 MUSTANG GT POWER UPGRADE PACKAGE" eleminates Skip-Shift. In includes an air filter, oil filter, mufflers, and - you guessed it - a tuner. Does anyone have information about getting Ford Racing parts installed so that everything else (if not those parts as well) remains safely covered by factory warranty? I'd love to get rid of this, but it's not worth destroying a warranty over.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=12345
P.S. If you haven't seen the MotorTrend video and review of the 2011 GT vs. the 2011 M3, find it.
You can force the stick past the skip-shift or just use a few more revs in 1st to avoid it.